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Old February 4th, 2013, 07:11 PM   #1481
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I wouldn't say quite soon, or even soon. Eventually might be the better word to use.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 08:28 PM   #1482
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Is there a detailed map available anywhere for phase one, showing exactly what is going to be tunnelled, viaducted and surface running?

It seems to me that a lot of additional tunneling is being proposed, even though it is not needed, simply to placate the home counties. It seesm counter productive, as IIRC the tunnel sections on HS1 a have severely limited line speeds (200km/h or 230km/h?) which pretty much defeats the point of HSR in the first place.
The maps are here;

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-of-route-maps

I've posted this many times but I'll post it again....where a speed restriction on HS1 would negate the point of high speed (i.e. in the middle of the route), the tunnel is full linespeed.

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Old February 4th, 2013, 08:33 PM   #1483
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The tunnels under London are the only ones with limited speeds, and that's to manage the fact that the Southeastern Highspeed is much slower than the Eurostar.
Its to save money as smaller bore tunnels are cheaper, and at the end of the line it doesn't matter so much.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 09:17 PM   #1484
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a Crazy idea...

What about a new high-speed station on the Olympic park??

They could connect HS1 and H2, and make Strattford a major high-speed hub with connections to National Rail, tube, DLR.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 08:04 AM   #1485
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the UK could seriously do with some electrification and modest speed increases on their regular IC lines, make 'em all electric and 200-230 kph

hs2 should go all the way up to glasgow though

and how about incorporating the local lines on the two sides of the eurotunnel?
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Old February 5th, 2013, 09:51 AM   #1486
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Belatedly, there is an electrification programme. The Great West Mainline will be electrified (although not all of it), and possible linespeed increase from 200 to 225km/h.

There's the North East Triangle is being electrified, followed by the TP route. No linespeed increases are planned. Works have started.

Then there's the Midland Mainline, which should be announced soon. It is also being upgraded to a max speed of 200km/h which has been announced and I believe works have started.

HS2 will go to Glasgow when phase 3 and the Scottish phase are announced.

I like the idea of local to local across the channel. For me, a south coast UK to North coast Europe. Southampton, Havant, Brighton, Gatwick, Ashford, Calais, Dunkirk, and to the holiday resorts in Belgium.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 12:02 PM   #1487
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I like the idea of local to local across the channel. For me, a south coast UK to North coast Europe. Southampton, Havant, Brighton, Gatwick, Ashford, Calais, Dunkirk, and to the holiday resorts in Belgium.
Many people like the idea. However UK border police and general paranoia keep getting in the way.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 05:23 PM   #1488
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the UK could seriously do with some electrification and modest speed increases on their regular IC lines, make 'em all electric and 200-230 kph
While electrification is certainly overdue on many mainlines in Britain, any further speed increases there are completely out of the question. Faster trains cost capacity which British Rail can ill-afford.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 09:08 PM   #1489
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While electrification is certainly overdue on many mainlines in Britain, any further speed increases there are completely out of the question. Faster trains cost capacity which British Rail can ill-afford.
While true, most British mainlines towards the south are 4-track for the busiest sections, so on the fast lines, nearly all trains run at the same speed, and on the slow lines you can have freight and commuter. As well as that, by the time this kind of project would be over, HS2 would be close to completion, freeing up spaces (but removing the incentive to speed up the mainlines?)

It's possible to run fast trains very close together (see Tokaido Shinkansen), but whether or not the British signalling system can handle such speeds, I'm not sure.

I also heard that over 200km/h in-cab signalling is necessary, and that's quite expensive to implement, so the government has shied away from that. (Which is why the Pendolinos never run over 200, even though they could easily travel at 225)
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Old February 5th, 2013, 10:41 PM   #1490
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I also heard that over 200km/h in-cab signalling is necessary, and that's quite expensive to implement, so the government has shied away from that. (Which is why the Pendolinos never run over 200, even though they could easily travel at 225)
Sorry for the offtopic, but do you mean that currently Pendolinos run 200 km/h without any in-cab signalling system? That would be quite surprising.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 11:44 PM   #1491
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Are there any plans to install ERMTS/ETCS in the main lines?
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Old February 5th, 2013, 11:54 PM   #1492
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If faster HSR is built then 200 km/h for classical lines is really good. 10 years ago UK was really falling behind on rail, now it's already much better and if everything what is now seriously planned gets built in 15-20 years it will be world class again.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 02:26 AM   #1493
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Sorry for the offtopic, but do you mean that currently Pendolinos run 200 km/h without any in-cab signalling system? That would be quite surprising.
Pendolini (or Pendolinos if you prefer) have an 125mph (200km/h) maximum speed in normal passenger service.

Virgin claim they would like to run down the improved Trent Valley section at 135mph (217km/h), as they were designed for a top speed of 140mph. However, the ORR (Office of Rail Regulation), HSE (Health & Safety Executive) and RSSB (Rail Standards and Safety Board) will not allow it.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 07:42 AM   #1494
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I also heard that over 200km/h in-cab signalling is necessary, and that's quite expensive to implement, so the government has shied away from that. (Which is why the Pendolinos never run over 200, even though they could easily travel at 225)
I would expect signalling improvements to be much cheaper to implement than new lines...
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Old February 7th, 2013, 11:39 PM   #1495
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Hi there.
I have a question.
Which are the problems of Clapham Junction and Finsbury Park stations?
Thank you.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 06:18 PM   #1496
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THE Brits are heading to Germany — to show them how to run a railway.



NATIONAL EXPRESS scored a huge away win yesterday by taking a 15-year, £1.4billion franchise off German giant DEUTSCHE BAHN.

The British company landed two contracts — a regional express and a local service that together handle 18million passengers a year.

The stunning victory comes despite it currently having only one UK rail franchise.

National Express runs C2C train services from Southend and Tilbury in Essex to London’s Fenchurch Street.

It was turfed off the East Coast Main Line by the Government in 2009.

But from December 2015, the firm will be taking Germans to work in Cologne, Bonn and Wuppertal in the North Rhine-Westphalia region — the country’s most populated area.

National Express chief Dean Finch boasted: “National Express is delighted to have been selected to run these two German commuter rail contracts.

“We look forward to maintaining these high standards and serving the people of North Rhine-Westphalia for many years to come.”

Previously, only Newcastle-based ARRIVA had landed work in Germany. Deutsche Bahn was so impressed it bought the business in 2010 for £1.6billion.

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...#ixzz2KKDTEzdv
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Old February 8th, 2013, 07:15 PM   #1497
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What else can you expect from The Sun?

Good on National Express, anyway.
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Old February 9th, 2013, 03:30 PM   #1498
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Sorry for the offtopic, but do you mean that currently Pendolinos run 200 km/h without any in-cab signalling system? That would be quite surprising.
Pendolinos, Intercity 125s (class 43), Intercity 225s (class 91), Voyagers (class 220), Super-Voyagers (class 221), Meridiens (class 222) and Adalantes (class 180) all run at 200km/h in the UK without in-cab signalling.
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Old February 9th, 2013, 03:31 PM   #1499
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Are there any plans to install ERMTS/ETCS in the main lines?
Yes, all of them

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/12275.aspx
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If faster HSR is built then 200 km/h for classical lines is really good. 10 years ago UK was really falling behind on rail, now it's already much better and if everything what is now seriously planned gets built in 15-20 years it will be world class again.
200km/h has been in operation in the UK on classic lines since the 1970s.
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