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Old October 29th, 2013, 03:00 AM   #1581
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What train is in the first picture? Mighty weird...
The APT-E, prelude to the APT-P shown in the last picture.

APT-E was a gas turbine train and was used to test the brand new tilting equipment. Without that train I doubt we would have pendolino since BR sold the design to fiat after the press killed off the APT-P. Irony is that the current trains on the WCML are derived from the trains seen in the last image. Sad really
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Old October 29th, 2013, 03:14 AM   #1582
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The APT-E, prelude to the APT-P shown in the last picture.

APT-E was a gas turbine train and was used to test the brand new tilting equipment. Without that train I doubt we would have pendolino since BR sold the design to fiat after the press killed off the APT-P. Irony is that the current trains on the WCML are derived from the trains seen in the last image. Sad really
The APT-E looks very weird, but I think the narrower British loading gauge augments this by making the boogies very prominent.

The APT-P, however, is a beauty. It could pass for a late 90's design with ease.
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Old October 29th, 2013, 03:41 AM   #1583
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It's a pity that the APT was killed by our press (which I fear is being done to HS2) as we could be seeing them running up and down our trunk routes today!
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Old October 29th, 2013, 04:14 AM   #1584
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That shot of the APT is incredible. If history had been different...

Here are some more historic shots, focusing mainly on steam this time:
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Just imagine the noise she would've been making...

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Old October 29th, 2013, 04:20 AM   #1585
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While on the topic of the APT an equally unique train the Bulleid 4DD the our only double decker train built in the late 40s withdrawn in 1971. I say double decker however it's more split level however, a unique train!

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4-DD unit 4902 a survivor against all odds. by Marra Man, on Flickr

More info here - http://www.bulleidlocos.org.uk/(S(xx..._oth/4_dd.aspx
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Old October 29th, 2013, 09:56 AM   #1586
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Where was the YouTube filmed, on the WCML?

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Is that on the line that goes through Barrow-in-Furness?


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And this one must be London-Liverpool Street?
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Old October 29th, 2013, 12:52 PM   #1587
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Isn't the first one somewhere around Dawlish?
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Old October 29th, 2013, 03:48 PM   #1588
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Isn't the first one somewhere around Dawlish?
No, its Grange Over Sands in Cumbria.
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Old October 29th, 2013, 03:50 PM   #1589
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@437.001 - Yes its the same line as Barrow-in-Furness.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 01:24 AM   #1590
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And this one must be London-Liverpool Street? [/QUOTE]

Yes, no doubt about it
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Old October 31st, 2013, 01:39 AM   #1591
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South West Trains

South West Trains is a stagecoach operated franchise operating services out of London Waterloo to the South West of England. They operate some of the busiest trains in the UK.
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450017, Waterloo, May 16th 2013 by Solent Images, on Flickr
A typical scene at Waterloo (from the left trains are 450, 455, 450, 455)

SWT are embarking on a major capacity increase, the first phase is converting the old Gatwick Express 460s in new 458/5s:
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The old 460s pre-conversion.
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458014, Clapham Junction, April 7th 2005 by Solent Images, on Flickr
The current 458s pre-conversion
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The new 458 by stavioni, on Flickr
The 458/5 post conversion.
The project takes the two fleets and combines them creating 36 5 car trains. the first 6 are made completely out of converted 460s. The remaining 30 are made up of the existing 4 car 458s with a centre coach from the 460s added in. All trains are then given a new end gangway.
The second phase of this project involves new EMU which will ultimately replace the new 458/5s which will then be cascaded onto other SWT routes.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 01:41 AM   #1592
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Where was the YouTube filmed, on the WCML?
Yes probably the northern stretches where most of the iconic APT images were taken
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Old October 31st, 2013, 02:49 AM   #1593
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South West Trains-worst rail company in England. Never on time, always owercrowded, bad customer service etc.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 03:01 AM   #1594
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Ok why don't we swap TOCs then you can have the clapped out pacers and sprinters and we'll have the modern desiros and refurbished PEP stock!

Seriously, South West Trains average PPM is 91.5 (data from Network Rail) compare that with the other ex-NSE TOCs - Southern 87.9, SouthEastern 91.0, Thameslink 87.4. Also consider this, SWT are the busiest commuter franchise in the country serving both the busiest stations in terms of passengers (Waterloo) and services (Clapham Junction) - now do you see why they're crowded. Also read my post and see how they're actively working with Network Rail to help ease overcrowding and then come back and tell me they're the worst TOC ever!!
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This is my opinion, for over two years I had to travel with SWT because of my school. For me SWT is, not really amazing.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 03:16 AM   #1596
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Never said they were however when presented with facts you can see how much better they are than other TOCs
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Old October 31st, 2013, 12:35 PM   #1597
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Where was the YouTube filmed, on the WCML?
The video description says it was between Norton Bridge and Great Bridgeford in Winter 1984.

Also, I have to say, the new 458/5s aren't exactly good-looking.

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Old October 31st, 2013, 07:11 PM   #1598
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If you want worst rail company in the UK, try FCC.

Filthy rolling stock, incessant cancellations and delays and some of the worst staff anywhere on the network. Their twitter team is a disaster.

SWT in comparison is a joy to commute with.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 07:31 PM   #1599
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Watching the APT vid above led me to this. The introduction is somewhat ironic given where we are now with HS2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSMSSdL2yeo
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Old November 7th, 2013, 03:49 AM   #1600
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Came across this video of the Class 303's last revenue-earning run:

Hard to believe that this was nearly 11 years ago.

On the subject of the 303's, one of the best liveries I think they carried was the SPT 'carmine & cream' livery:


Closely followed by the BR 'Blue & Grey' livery:



Edit: Just stumbled across this:

One of the very few times that a 170 has ever made a appearance at Glasgow Central. I don't think it's happened since this was taken.
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