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Old October 17th, 2016, 10:17 AM   #2141
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Old October 18th, 2016, 02:09 AM   #2142
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Only one problem with the Seishun 18 Kippu ticket, though: you better know how to read a Japanese timetable, because you are completely reliant on local trains to get anywhere in Japan. And it's not valid on former JR lines that have been converted to third-sector operators. I'd love to see a special version of this very ticket (available for foreigners) that allows you to ride certain third sector lines like:

South Hokkaido Railway Company (Hakodate to Kikonai)
Aoimori Railway (Aomori to Metoki)
Iwate Galaxy Railway (Metoki to Morioka)
Shinano Railway (Karuizawa to Nagano and Nagano to Myōkō-Kōgen)
Echigo Tokimeki Railway (Myōkō-Kōgen to Naoetsu and Naoetsu to Ichiburi)
Ainokaze Toyama Railway (Ichiburi to Kurikara)
IR Ishikawa Railway (Kurikara to Kanazawa)
Hitsatsu Orange Railway (Yatsushiro to Sendai)
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Old October 20th, 2016, 04:22 AM   #2143
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Only one problem with the Seishun 18 Kippu ticket, though: you better know how to read a Japanese timetable, because you are completely reliant on local trains to get anywhere in Japan.
or you can just use Hyperdia and not bother with timetables.
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Old October 20th, 2016, 04:24 AM   #2144
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Sometimes, print timetables are just easier. They make so much sense, even in this day.
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Old October 20th, 2016, 08:41 AM   #2145
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Sometimes, print timetables are just easier. They make so much sense, even in this day.
I wonder are there iOS or Android apps for the Japanese market that have searchable train timetables on them?
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Old October 22nd, 2016, 11:28 AM   #2146
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Odakyu's new Romancecar 70000 Series

Odakyu Electric Railway presented this week the new Romancecar Limited Express to launch by 2018.











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The first new “Romancecar” train in a decade will make its maiden journey in March 2018 on a line connecting Tokyo with popular hot spring resort Hakone, Odakyu Electric Railway Co. has announced.

The new model Type 70000 will feature special observation seats on the first and last carriages with full views facing the rail tracks. In addition, all carriages will also have larger windows offering better views.

Connecting the capital’s Shinjuku Station and Hakone-Yumoto Station in Kanagawa Prefecture, the limited express service is run with special train models dubbed Romancecar, which is believed to originate from its two-passenger seats, unlike conventional seats with separating armrests.

The company plans to schedule the trains to carry holiday makers visiting the Hakone area, one of the closest hot spring resorts to Tokyo, as well as commuters to and from Tokyo, in the mornings and evenings.

The Type 70000 train will consist of seven cars and carry 400 passengers. About 4 billion yen ($38.6 million) will be spent to manufacture two sets.

The last Romancecar model to be introduced was the Type 60000 in 2008.
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But there is more news. The company launch the refurbishment of the Odakyu 30000 series EXE. The first 4+6-car trainset treated returning to service in March 2017.



Refurbishment will be carried out by Nippon Sharyo, with the design overseen by Noriaki Okabe Architecture Network. It will include the following changes:

Redesigned interiors and seating.
Replacement of Japanese-style squat toilets with Western-style toilets.
Additional luggage racks.
Installation of security cameras in vestibule and passenger saloons.
Fully enclosed traction motors.





Source: http://www.odakyu.jp/program/info/da...9_5668838_.pdf

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Old October 22nd, 2016, 07:00 PM   #2147
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Either they've already finished the first EXE, or that's some of the best CG I've ever seen.

So right now, Odakyu has the following:

2 7000-series LSE sets

14 30000-series EXE sets

2 50000-series VSE sets

8 60000-series MSE sets

That's 26 sets total. 21 if you count the fact that there's only three full-length MSE sets since there aren't as many four car units.

Does anyone happen to know why the 10000 series HiSE and 20000 series RSE got retired earlier than the LSE?

And why is the new 70000 series only going to be seven cars long?

For that matter why did they withdraw through service from Gora to Odawara on the Hakone Tozan?
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Old October 23rd, 2016, 04:55 AM   #2148
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Only one problem with the Seishun 18 Kippu ticket, though: you better know how to read a Japanese timetable, because you are completely reliant on local trains to get anywhere in Japan. And it's not valid on former JR lines that have been converted to third-sector operators. I'd love to see a special version of this very ticket (available for foreigners) that allows you to ride certain third sector lines like:

South Hokkaido Railway Company (Hakodate to Kikonai)
Aoimori Railway (Aomori to Metoki)
Iwate Galaxy Railway (Metoki to Morioka)
Shinano Railway (Karuizawa to Nagano and Nagano to Myōkō-Kōgen)
Echigo Tokimeki Railway (Myōkō-Kōgen to Naoetsu and Naoetsu to Ichiburi)
Ainokaze Toyama Railway (Ichiburi to Kurikara)
IR Ishikawa Railway (Kurikara to Kanazawa)
Hitsatsu Orange Railway (Yatsushiro to Sendai)
Recently I explored the Hokuriku region using the Seishun 18. That was horrible because of so many areas that don't have JR Lines.
What Hyperdia nor the JR site doesn't explain well, are that SOME 3rd sector rail lines can be used but there's some conditions. I forgot if it was Shinano or Echigo or the IR Ishikawa, but two of these lines could be used with the Seishun 18, only if your destination is Nanao.

Another thing is that the seishun 18 can be used to get discounts on certain trains, like the one from Yamagata to Sendai. or the Steam locomotive from Aizu to Niigata (i think you just pay an extra 500 yen)
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Old October 23rd, 2016, 06:13 AM   #2149
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Many of the complaints about tickets such as the Seishun 18 and Japan Rail Pass about limited coverage stem from a misunderstanding about the product- these tickets/passes are packaged and treated in the financial books of the railway companies as *discount* tickets, much like the APEX tickets offered by airlines- with the requisite restrictions and whatnot. Also, the lack of coverage over third sector railway companies is due to the fact that these are separate entities with very different financial realities and funding setups- and packaging a product that includes these lines likely would be too much trouble for what its worth.

As for the utility of online vs. paper timetables, if you are a casual traveler with a relatively simple point to point journey with minimal transfers and defined travel times, an online planner is adequate. However, if you are a more ambitious traveler looking to cover multiple lines in the minimal time, with multiple transfers and possible roundabout itineraries, a paper timetable plus the human brain will outperform the computer every time. This is from someone who has used paper timetables for journeys for at least 25 years, since my first ambitious journey in the U.K. using a three week Britrail pass and the bricklike BR timetable (pre-internet).
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Old October 23rd, 2016, 12:25 PM   #2150
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Many of the complaints about tickets such as the Seishun 18 and Japan Rail Pass about limited coverage stem from a misunderstanding about the product- these tickets/passes are packaged and treated in the financial books of the railway companies as *discount* tickets, much like the APEX tickets offered by airlines- with the requisite restrictions and whatnot. Also, the lack of coverage over third sector railway companies is due to the fact that these are separate entities with very different financial realities and funding setups- and packaging a product that includes these lines likely would be too much trouble for what its worth.

for me its not its use on 3rd sector railways (we all know it is a JR ticket), but the explanations, or sometimes inaccurate/lack of, on their sites.
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Old October 24th, 2016, 08:59 AM   #2151
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And why is the new 70000 series only going to be seven cars long?
Probably because seven 20m cars make up the same length as ten 14m cars on the 50000 VSE. The difference: the older model use jacobs bogies, the new model regular bogies.
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Old October 24th, 2016, 02:42 PM   #2152
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for me its not its use on 3rd sector railways (we all know it is a JR ticket), but the explanations, or sometimes inaccurate/lack of, on their sites.
That's a relatively simple and very cheap fix- just hire a contract employee to rewrite the explanations. It's baffling that a huge railway like JR East would let that slide if indeed that is a problem.

*I realized you were referring to the Seishun 18 ticket. In that case, it's a relatively long selling but low profile product that they don't want to spend too much money on, perhaps they figure most users are not tyros and know the intricacies of its use.

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Old October 24th, 2016, 02:49 PM   #2153
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I thought that the VSE was 11 cars, and the EXE and MSE (which are not articulated) are 10 cars. If the EXE and MSE are not articulated, why would they have shorter bodies?
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I thought that the VSE was 11 cars, and the EXE and MSE (which are not articulated) are 10 cars. If the EXE and MSE are not articulated, why would they have shorter bodies?
Their car bodies are not short, they are the standard 20m length. Ten car consists must be shortened to six cars at Odawara as the platform at Hakone Yumoto station can only accomodate trains up to 140m in length.
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Right.

So if the EXE and MSE are both 10 cars long, why is the new one only seven?

If it was six cars, it would be more understandable, given the need to get up to Hakone, but this is somewhat confusing.

Ironically, the new Tobu train sets (and the old ones for that matter) would be able to get fit, since Asakusa is also limited to six cars.
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Right.

So if the EXE and MSE are both 10 cars long, why is the new one only seven?

If it was six cars, it would be more understandable, given the need to get up to Hakone, but this is somewhat confusing.

Ironically, the new Tobu train sets (and the old ones for that matter) would be able to get fit, since Asakusa is also limited to six cars.
The platform at Hakone is 140m long, which is seven 20m cars. I think it might have been recently extended from 120m.

I would think that the 10-car sets are actually 6+4, so only the 6-car set goes to Hakone, but it's not making the most of the platform there.
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Old October 25th, 2016, 10:17 PM   #2157
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First pictures of the new Tobu 500 Series

The new trains are built by Kawasaki Heavy Industries, with exterior and interior styling overseen by Japanese industrial designer Ken Okuyama.

In April 2016, Tobu announced that the trains would be used on through services between Asakusa in Tokyo and Aizu-Tajima in Fukushima Prefecture via the Yagan Railway and Aizu Railway Aizu Line from spring 2017.

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Old October 25th, 2016, 10:40 PM   #2158
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FINALLY!!

I've been waiting for news on these trains. Any word on what the travel time from Asakusa to Aizu-Tajima will be?

These are 20 meters, correct? Ah, how I wish there was a track connection from the Chiyoda Line to the Hanzomon or Hibiya Lines. Through service from Aizu-Tajima to Hakone-Yumoto would be amazing.
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Any word on what the travel time from Asakusa to Aizu-Tajima will be?
Tobu runs a special train "Skytree Line Minami Aizu", journey time for the up service Minami Aizu~Asakusa is four hours, so that should give you a ball park estimate (the down service starts at Kita-Senju, not Asakusa).
http://railway.tobu.co.jp/special_ex...n/st_aizu.html
http://www.tobu.co.jp/file/pdf/54661...20160905151952

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Through service from Aizu-Tajima to Hakone-Yumoto would be amazing.
As a publicity stunt perhaps, but a disaster commercially, I reckon.
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So if the EXE and MSE are both 10 cars long, why is the new one only seven?
The new sets have the observation front ends, so no couplers. These are not intended for services that have en-route making/breaking up of consists.
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