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Old March 23rd, 2008, 04:02 PM   #301
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You can not say that London is a beautiful city; there are individual highlights but overall it is dirty and rundown and full of ugly modern monstrosities.


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Old March 23rd, 2008, 09:43 PM   #302
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Nice pictures of individual buildings and places, but London as a whole is not a beautiful city.

Its a crowded working city with all the dirt and pollution that goes with it, though the traffic in the west-end is not as bad as it was following the introduction of the congestion charge. London has individual buildings that are very attractive, but in many parts they are mixed in with post-war development and modern monstrosities with no regard to the overall look or character of the area.
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Old March 23rd, 2008, 11:43 PM   #303
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The old, eerie, spooky Georgian and Victorian griminess has appeal in it's own right too.
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Old March 23rd, 2008, 11:51 PM   #304
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but in many parts they are mixed in with post-war development and modern monstrosities with no regard to the overall look or character of the area.
And it's all the more vibrant, dynamic and awe-inspiring for it.
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Old March 24th, 2008, 12:30 PM   #305
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I seriously don't understand why people are complaining about London for being dirty and polluted.
HAVE YOU SAW WHERE THE OLYMPICS ARE BEING HELD THIS YEAR?
and yes, i have to write it in capitals.
LONDON is one of the GREENEST world cities on planet earth!
BEIJING however is one of the most polluted hence these images,




Even the UN is concerned about people's health when visiting Beijing in August.
I doubt people will be wearing smog masks @ London 2012.
http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/olymp...nvironment.jsp
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Old March 24th, 2008, 06:12 PM   #306
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Sure, but the last time London hosted the Olympic Games in 1948 it was one of the most polluted cities on earth.
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Old March 24th, 2008, 06:17 PM   #307
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And it's all the more vibrant, dynamic and awe-inspiring for it.
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Old March 24th, 2008, 06:23 PM   #308
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I seriously don't understand why people are complaining about London for being dirty and polluted.
HAVE YOU SAW WHERE THE OLYMPICS ARE BEING HELD THIS YEAR?
and yes, i have to write it in capitals.
LONDON is one of the GREENEST world cities on planet earth!
BEIJING however is one of the most polluted hence these images,

Even the UN is concerned about people's health when visiting Beijing in August.
I doubt people will be wearing smog masks @ London 2012.
http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/olymp...nvironment.jsp
I have not visited Beijing, though I have seen the effects of the pollution drifting south over Hong Kong, so I can not comment on it.

I think many first-time visitors to London will be shocked by the filth on London's streets. I'm sure many will find appeal in the diversity of the architecture and the many different local 'villages' of London, but again, you can not call London a beautiful city.
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Old March 24th, 2008, 06:44 PM   #309
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Sure, but the last time London hosted the Olympic Games in 1948 it was one of the most polluted cities on earth.
Yeah, because London hasn't changed at all in sixty years. Jesus.
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Old March 24th, 2008, 08:05 PM   #310
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http://torchrelay.beijing2008.cn/en/...on/index.shtml

just looked at the 2008 site and they have 10 Downing street as a river? lol
sure someone will tell them!
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Old March 24th, 2008, 09:07 PM   #311
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Sure, but the last time London hosted the Olympic Games in 1948 it was one of the most polluted cities on earth.
Yep, and swe have since realised our mistakes, and there are now much cleaner and better ways to do things. When England was extremely polluted, 'we' were ignorant of what we were doing to planet Earth. Now, we know it was wrong, and as I've said there are now ways to cut pollution down massively. China KNOWS what it is doing. And it KNOWS there are ways they could do it better if they were willing to spend a bit more money.

Ignorance is NOT a f*cking excuse anymore! Not in the 21st frigging century!
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Old March 24th, 2008, 09:29 PM   #312
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Yep, and swe have since realised our mistakes, and there are now much cleaner and better ways to do things.
Well, not really. It's more to do with the power stations moving out of Central London and it becoming a service sector based city. Back in the 1940s London was still incredibly industrial, along the banks of its rivers, the power stations dotted along the rivers and the chemical sites of the Lea Valley (incidentally the exact place where the Olympic Park will be). The Clean Air act in the 1950s after the Great Smog was when the city became aware of how this pollution affected its population, and now we're dealing with a new threat of global climate change, which London and its Mayor is trying to champion through sustainable development and eco-design standards which is what London's Olympic Park is going to built to.

Hopefully China will realise it can still develop and become the superpower it wants to be whilst embracing green technologies. I think it is starting to; hopefully the Olympic legacy from 2008 will be to reduce carbon emissions. They've started with the Olympic venues, they should build on this and adapt across the whole country.
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The fact is, we didn't know the damage we were doing to the planet. Now, there are ways and means of making these power stations cleaner, and making cities greener. China knows this. But they don't seem to be doing enough.
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I seriously don't understand why people are complaining about London for being dirty and polluted.
HAVE YOU SAW WHERE THE OLYMPICS ARE BEING HELD THIS YEAR?
and yes, i have to write it in capitals.
LONDON is one of the GREENEST world cities on planet earth!
BEIJING however is one of the most polluted hence these images,




Even the UN is concerned about people's health when visiting Beijing in August.
I doubt people will be wearing smog masks @ London 2012.
http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/olymp...nvironment.jsp
Some people might mislead the fog with smog. The first picture seems to indicate people in the picture tried to avoid getting wet rather than wore smog masks.
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You can not say that London is a beautiful city; there are individual highlights but overall it is dirty and rundown and full of ugly modern monstrosities.
What the hell is wrong with these fools that post on this thread.
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Old March 25th, 2008, 12:24 PM   #316
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What the hell is wrong with these fools that post on this thread.
Zenith - what exactly is the point you are trying to make about the original statement?
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Old March 25th, 2008, 05:06 PM   #317
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Some people might mislead the fog with smog. The first picture seems to indicate people in the picture tried to avoid getting wet rather than wore smog masks.
yeah , you are right, someone thought other cities in this world don't got the foggie weather, and all year long blue sky, sun shining,
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Old March 25th, 2008, 05:31 PM   #318
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The fact is, we didn't know the damage we were doing to the planet. Now, there are ways and means of making these power stations cleaner, and making cities greener. China knows this. But they don't seem to be doing enough.
They're actually doing a hell of a lot. I'm in sustainable engineering and a lot of the projects are in China; you've got Arup's Dongshan City for example which really is workable. Now because of the immense construction going on, the environmentally-aware projects get drowned by those that are not, but these are far bigger in scale and ambition than those going on in the UK. Planning laws in some departments will change there soon, too. While we're taxing people £25 a day to drive in our city and architects are topping out their buildings with false-economy wind turbines to improve their 'green' credentials, the Chinese are drilling 150m-deep boreholes for ground-source heat pumps in hundreds of new developments. The energy saving that meaningful sustainable engineering like GSHPs make is massive compared to 8% reduced congestion in Central London or the fallacy of 'green gestures' such as roof gardens, wind-turbines, and less parking spaces that architects like to make. I really think that Britain has a lot to measure up to (especially against Germany, France and Denmark, but increasingly China too). Free-market environmentalism is what will work in the long term, not excessively punitive taxation. Thermodynamics tells us so.

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Old March 25th, 2008, 07:31 PM   #319
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so many little girls in this thread.

london is what it is.busy, vibey, cultural,fun, grimy, big city bla bla bla..its the very fact that it has so many characteristics that draws thousands of youth from around the world to live in the city each year, even without the olympic games. if ure soft and whiney then the big city simply is not for you.
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Old March 26th, 2008, 11:47 AM   #320
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i d love to watch a world cup in london. not the olimpics!
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