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Old July 25th, 2012, 04:38 PM   #3461
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I think you might regret saying that if it showers on the Olympic ceremony
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Old July 25th, 2012, 06:34 PM   #3462
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It's a big shame that they developed such an underwhelming stadium for a spectacle as grand as the olympics. Even countries hosting the commonwealth games, asian games, or pan american games have developed far more impressive stadiums.

It must be said, this is probably the most shameful stadium developed in modern times since the Atlanta and Barcelona olympics, and even more shameful considering we are now well into the 21st century.


Oh yes, such a shame we didn't build a vanity project birds nest stadium like in Beijing and then after the games finish have zero use for it.

I went to Beijing earlier this year... the olympic stadium and surrounding areas were like ghost towns. No people, no shops.. they were all closed.. no point! All of that money for nothing, absolutely zero legacy from the entire thing.

In London however, we would rather actually turn the park into a proper green space and business area when the games finish to make sure that our money is well spent and the surrounding areas actually benefit from the games.

It was the single most important part of the whole planning process.
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Old July 25th, 2012, 07:15 PM   #3463
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Its a largely temporary stadium. London has too many as it is.

Unlike most of the games you've listed, London have considered and prioritised Legacy (what happens after the games) over the games itself. It is a sensible approach.

The stadium site is constrained on 3 sides.

This isn't a shameful stadium, its actually really well thought out and does everything it needs to do. London doesn't have to make any statement through architecture.
The whole point of bidding for and winning the games is to make a statement. You don't pour that many billions into infrastructure and stadiums because it makes financial sense, the money they generate through the games is nothing close to what it all costs

Going through all the effort to get the games and then spending all those billions of pounds in preparations really doesn't make sense if in the end you're aiming for nothing

all this rubbish about "legacy" can't be used as an excuse to build something so pathetic for an event with the magnitude of an Olympics.
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Old July 25th, 2012, 07:21 PM   #3464
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In London however, we would rather actually turn the park into a proper green space and business area when the games finish to make sure that our money is well spent and the surrounding areas actually benefit from the games.

It was the single most important part of the whole planning process.
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London legacy: hi-tech hub is hive of speculation

The legacy corporation is moving towards a decision about the Olympic Park's proposed future business district, but a lot could still change

Just what is going on with the Olympics Media Centre? Reports yesterday seemed to indicate that iCity was to be proposed as preferred bidder over and above the rival bid from the UK Fashion Hub at next Tuesday's London Legacy Development Corporation board meeting. I find this incredible beyond belief...

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/da...adcast-centres
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Old July 25th, 2012, 07:22 PM   #3465
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Oh yes, such a shame we didn't build a vanity project birds nest stadium like in Beijing and then after the games finish have zero use for it.

I went to Beijing earlier this year... the olympic stadium and surrounding areas were like ghost towns. No people, no shops.. they were all closed.. no point! All of that money for nothing, absolutely zero legacy from the entire thing.

In London however, we would rather actually turn the park into a proper green space and business area when the games finish to make sure that our money is well spent and the surrounding areas actually benefit from the games.

It was the single most important part of the whole planning process.
Whether you build a crappy underwhelming stadium or something impressive doesn't have anything to do with how you utilize it afterwards. China doesn't have the sporting capacity to make use of their stadium (Significant football league or any other sport which will draw crowds).

England does. (EPL, other football events, rugby, cricket etc.)

Legacy is more of an excuse than anything else. This stadium is symbolic of the changing times. Just like the stadiums in Beijing and the one being built in Rio are symbolic of their countries' self image and ambitions, the stadium here in Statford is also symbolic of the self-image of 21st century England.
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Old July 25th, 2012, 07:26 PM   #3466
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Old July 25th, 2012, 07:38 PM   #3467
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symbolic of the self-image of 21st century England.
Yes, because England really needs another iconic stadium...

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Old July 25th, 2012, 07:50 PM   #3468
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wembley ($1.5bn)

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emirate ($750m)




twickenham (8,2000 capacity)

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olympic stadium ($755m)




chelsea proposed the world's most expensive stadium (£1bn)

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Old July 25th, 2012, 08:17 PM   #3469
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It's interesting.
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Old July 25th, 2012, 08:32 PM   #3470
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Whether you build a crappy underwhelming stadium or something impressive doesn't have anything to do with how you utilize it afterwards. China doesn't have the sporting capacity to make use of their stadium (Significant football league or any other sport which will draw crowds).

England does. (EPL, other football events, rugby, cricket etc.)

Legacy is more of an excuse than anything else. This stadium is symbolic of the changing times. Just like the stadiums in Beijing and the one being built in Rio are symbolic of their countries' self image and ambitions, the stadium here in Statford is also symbolic of the self-image of 21st century England.
Oh dear, what an absolute load of nonsense!
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Old July 25th, 2012, 09:35 PM   #3471
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because the chinese used HD cameras?


here's a vid of how london welcomed the world and 2012! you'll be totally blown away!

I've seen better fireworks in the US on the Fourth of July.
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Old July 25th, 2012, 10:07 PM   #3472
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I've seen better fireworks in the US on the Fourth of July.
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Old July 25th, 2012, 10:29 PM   #3473
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Old July 26th, 2012, 03:12 AM   #3474
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First events in Cardiffs Millennium stadium!!!!

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As to the arument over the olympic stadium, i think it is a very sleek and simple design, not ugly not spectacular. As london and the UK already have alot of truely great stadia, the idea it can be reduced in size to make it a more viabally used facility is an exceptional idea, it seems stupid it hasnt been thought of before! i think it would be a national disgrace if it sat around not being used, as was the case with the millennium Dome (which is thankfully now in use), and many other previous olympic venues around the world. To critasise its design just shows how ignorant to the idea of what london 2012 is trying to achieve, and how ignorant of what makes up modern Britain that would rather spend its money on health care and education than flashy unused architecture. If you dont like the design for the budget then say so, if you dont like the budget then you dont get the 2012 Olympics.
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Old July 26th, 2012, 06:41 AM   #3475
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You're proving my point exactly right. Twickenham is rather ordinary, but if England has the capacity to build a stadium like Wembley(I'm not sure if it still does), it should for an event like the olympics. The whole point of the olympics is for it to be spectacular, not dull and ordinary
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Old July 26th, 2012, 07:02 AM   #3476
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Yeah you're right. It makes complete sense to build a massive additional stadium for 4 weeks only.
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Old July 26th, 2012, 08:43 AM   #3477
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You're proving my point exactly right. Twickenham is rather ordinary, but if England has the capacity to build a stadium like Wembley(I'm not sure if it still does), it should for an event like the olympics. The whole point of the olympics is for it to be spectacular, not dull and ordinary
Are you for real?
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Old July 26th, 2012, 10:39 AM   #3478
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Old July 26th, 2012, 12:36 PM   #3479
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Whether you build a crappy underwhelming stadium or something impressive doesn't have anything to do with how you utilize it afterwards. China doesn't have the sporting capacity to make use of their stadium (Significant football league or any other sport which will draw crowds).

If that is the case, then they shouldn't be allowed to host the event.


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Legacy is more of an excuse than anything else.

An excuse for what exactly? Making sure people get the most from their money... ensuring that the park will be used and create success long after the games whether sporting or business?



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This stadium is symbolic of the changing times. Just like the stadiums in Beijing and the one being built in Rio are symbolic of their countries' self image and ambitions, the stadium here in Statford is also symbolic of the self-image of 21st century England.

I guess you might have a point on this... China and Rio have everything to prove of themselves... England, as an established, developed, leading nation... doesn't.
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Old July 26th, 2012, 01:19 PM   #3480
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You're proving my point exactly right. Twickenham is rather ordinary, but if England has the capacity to build a stadium like Wembley(I'm not sure if it still does), it should for an event like the olympics. The whole point of the olympics is for it to be spectacular, not dull and ordinary
You seem to have completely misunderstood both the purpose and the spirit of the Olympic Games.

It is not an architectural dick measuring contest.

The London Olympic stadium looks like it does because it was originally intended to be largely deconstructed after the Games. Politicians subsequently performed a u-turn and it was decided, long after construction had begun, to make the venue permanent.

No one claims that it is, aesthetically, the best ever Olympic stadium. But it will do the job very well. In many respects, in fact, it will do the job better than the Birds Nest. The London Olympic stadium is a far more intimate venue. Yet it is also lighter and airier. In other words, it is far more fan friendly.
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