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Old April 22nd, 2008, 04:16 AM   #381
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Old April 22nd, 2008, 01:10 PM   #382
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another redesign?
it looks wonderful, much better than the watercube imo
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Old April 22nd, 2008, 01:11 PM   #383
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Old April 22nd, 2008, 02:17 PM   #384
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I think the aquatics centre looks amazing - can't see what all the moaning was about
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Old April 22nd, 2008, 02:33 PM   #385
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i think the moaning was about how its gonna look during the games
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Old April 22nd, 2008, 03:11 PM   #386
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At the risk of being torn apart by london forumers I am not a big fan of the 2012 olympic logo.
Alright Ill just say it, I think it stinks.
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Old April 22nd, 2008, 05:56 PM   #387
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Dont worry just about everyone outside London agrees!
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Old April 22nd, 2008, 06:52 PM   #388
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And in London!

The Aquatics Centre looks great though - similar to, but better than the one in Valencia. Hope it turns out like the render.
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Old April 23rd, 2008, 10:09 AM   #389
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I agree the Aquatics Center do look good, but the addition during the game look funny.

Why can't the stadium look half good as the Aquatics Center?
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Old April 23rd, 2008, 11:07 AM   #390
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And in London!

The Aquatics Centre looks great though - similar to, but better than the one in Valencia. Hope it turns out like the render.
What aquatics center in Valencia are you talking about?
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Old April 23rd, 2008, 12:06 PM   #391
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Am I the only one who doesnt care about the logo? I think all olympic logos look like they have been drawn by 3 year olds.
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Why can't the stadium look half good as the Aquatics Center?
Because there's no point spending money on an iconic design for a venue that will only be there for 17 days. Unlike the aquatics centre, which will be there forever.
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Because there's no point spending money on an iconic design for a venue that will only be there for 17 days. Unlike the aquatics centre, which will be there forever.
he said half good. not as good.
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Old April 23rd, 2008, 10:02 PM   #394
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Mo, are those aquatic centre shots the most recent? It's been a while since I've been on any Olympic threads and everytime I go on, its a different design that looks fairly similiar (as far as I can remember) to the original concept..

Basic stadium for a short duration? - Fair point
Basic stadium in an already £9 billion budget - Mmmm?
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Am I the only one who doesnt care about the logo? I think all olympic logos look like they have been drawn by 3 year olds.
im with you
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most recent according to the ODA. That doesnt include the temporary stands in olympic mode. post 2012 its a beautiful well thought out venue. the timber makes me go wild!! smartest move they've made wrt to the design.
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Because there's no point spending money on an iconic design for a venue that will only be there for 17 days. Unlike the aquatics centre, which will be there forever.
Spending over 12 billions (till now) but no money with an iconic olympic stadium? i dont get that. If you are hosting the Olympic Games you need an Olympic Stadium which remains one after the Games. It is the heart of the Games.

It is like wanna be King of lands, you build an iconic summer house but no castle!

I am a big supporter of the London Games (especially after Beijing), already signed as a volunteer but the Logo and Olympic Stadium issue is quite dissapointing for me. Perhaps this will change the next 4 years...

Ah, i forgotten: The Aquatic Center looks fantastic
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Spending over 12 billions (till now)
The total budget for the Games is £9.3 billion.

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but no money with an iconic olympic stadium? i dont get that. If you are hosting the Olympic Games you need an Olympic Stadium which remains one after the Games. It is the heart of the Games.
No it isn't. The point is London doesn't need or want another 80,000 seater stadium for the upkeep to be paid for by Londoners tax for the next 100 years or so. It will never be filled again, and for any events which require that number they can use Wembley. The city simply doesn't need another 80,000 seater stadium and it will become a white elephant. Wembley couldn't be used for the Olympic stadium because the point of the London Olympics is to regenerate a massive swathe of the east of the city by placing the venues and village in a striking new urban park.

By designing a stadium which has a sunken permanent 25,000 seater bowl, and placing temporary 55,000 seats around its edge, the stadium after the Games can be sized down to a much more suitable size for the local community to pay for the upkeep for and use for local athletics without a massive drain on their local council budgets.

With a strict budget, there is simply no point on spending extra frills on an iconic design for the temporary seating area. The permanent bowl area will have extra money spent on it, as well as other permanent parts of the stadium.

This is the point of the London Olympics, it's showing how other cities possibly with less budget than London can host an Olympics by sizing up permanent structures to house Olympic size crowds, or built temporary venues that won't leave the city paying for white elephant upkeeps for decades after the Games. It's about embracing the temporary.

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Well yes, because it is permanent.
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Old April 24th, 2008, 05:44 PM   #399
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The total budget for the Games is £9.3 billion.



No it isn't. The point is London doesn't need or want another 80,000 seater stadium for the upkeep to be paid for by Londoners tax for the next 100 years or so. It will never be filled again, and for any events which require that number they can use Wembley. The city simply doesn't need another 80,000 seater stadium and it will become a white elephant. .
So wrong... Athens stadium doesn t need a glass roof from calatrava with a design that costed as costs a small country itself (lol) but did it. The games could be held in a roofless olympic stadium as well (see IAAF Championship in Athens in the late 90's). Beijing doesnt need a freaking wow steel birdnest which looks like nothing else on this earth... but they did it...there were so many stadia in Beijing which could host a games only with some expansions for a bigger capacity...And even if London stadium had to be temporry, they could choose another temporary design as the grat one on the bid.
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The bid design simply isn't a feasible piece of architecture with the budget they have been given.
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