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Old July 30th, 2008, 01:09 PM   #661
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Um well hmmmm. First of all I grew up in Atlanta and have been to both stadiums. The Fulton County Stadium at the time of the Olympics was used for the Baseball events. Since it was thirty years old and the fact that the Olympic Stadium was to be reconfigured into a baseball stadium the county saw fit to demolish the Fulton County Stadium to make it a parking lot for Turner Field. OH! By the way Atlanta is the capitol of the state of Georgia which so happens to be located in the "South East" region of the United States. Not the middle. DERRRRRRRRR
"Um well hmmmm"
*Did you not read my post? I am aware Fulton County was for baseball-- this being demolished when Turner Field was ready. I was comparing this to similar style sustainable planning for London 2012 in relation to Sexas' comments. Do you know how to read in context?
*Middle America = middle class/suburbia/the normal. It's not a geogprahic reference.
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That map has the handball and basketball in the wrong place.
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Old July 30th, 2008, 03:27 PM   #663
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Technology 2012

LOCOG is now well over half the way to reaching its domestic sponsorship target.

London 2012 will make the most of exciting new technology and communications to get people closer to the action they want to see, when, where and how they want to experience it.

'London 2012 will be the Games for a connected world – connecting people in revolutionary ways and enriching the Olympic and Paralympic experience by bringing people closer to the Games than ever before. It will be an evolution of the Games and provide an online immersive environment where athletes and spectators can share their Olympic and Paralympic memories instantaneously,' said Mike Zafirovski, President and CEO of Nortel.

'The network infrastructure is fundamental to the Games and critical to the delivery of its communications services. Fresh from the Vancouver 2010 Winter Games, our team will be experienced in providing the level of passion, support and expertise required to help deliver the Olympic and Paralympic Games in London in 2012.'

As Official Network Infrastructure Partner, Nortel will be responsible for providing BT with the equipment to enable secure and robust Wide Area Networks, wireless Local Area Networks, call centre and fixed telephony infrastructure which LOCOG requires to stage the Games. London 2012’s communications will support over 205 international sporting organisations, 20,000 worldwide media, nine million spectators, and over four billion television viewers of the London Games.

Sebastian Coe, Chair of London 2012 commented: 'As we head to Beijing,I’m thrilled to have another world class partner on board. Nortel will be a great partner, and, as well as bringing ‘best in class’ products to the table, will be supporting our sustainability commitments and our education programme too. We are counting on Nortel with their Olympic Games experience and breadth of expertise for mission-critical projects to ensure successful delivery of our Games requirements. Commercially, we are in great shape, with four years to go we are in the unprecedented position of having raised over half of our domestic sponsorship targets already.'

Nortel will provide this equipment to BT, London 2012’s Communications Services Partner. BT is the Communications Services Partner to the London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games and has a longstanding relationship with Nortel. Patrick O’Connell, President, Delivery & Service Operations, BT Global Services said: 'Nortel has supplied network equipment to BT for many years enabling us to deliver communications services to some of our major corporate and government customers in the UK. We welcome them to the London 2012 programme, supporting BT's delivery of the critical communications infrastructure for the London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games.'

LOCOG is proud to have these two world-class organisations working together to ensure delivery of these critical requirements for the successful staging of the Games. Nortel will also receive exclusive marketing rights and usage rights to the London 2012 brand within its sector.

Technology and communication at Games-time will require significant and complex logistical operations than any other olympics. Nortel will form part of LOCOG’s technology team, which also includes Atos Origin, BT and Samsung, and these organisations will play a fundamental role in delivering the communications for the Games.

In addition to EDF Energy, BT and BP, Nortel becomes London 2012’s fourth Sustainability Partner and will work with London 2012 and partners to reduce the environmental impacts of hosting the Games. Nortel will add value to the 2012 Sustainability agenda by reducing the carbon footprint of the products they supply for the Games and driving energy efficiency in the workplace.

Nortel has also committed to contributing to London 2012’s Education Programme by providing resources and training to students across the UK.

Nortel is also a sponsor of the Vancouver 2010 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games.

London 2012 now has seven Tier One Partners and one Tier Two Supporter as it raises the £2bn of private finance needed for staging the Olympic Games and Paralympic Games in 2012 in addition to the eight worldwide TOP Sponsors.

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Old July 30th, 2008, 05:11 PM   #664
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"Um well hmmmm"
*Did you not read my post? I am aware Fulton County was for baseball-- this being demolished when Turner Field was ready. I was comparing this to similar style sustainable planning for London 2012 in relation to Sexas' comments. Do you know how to read in context?
*Middle America = middle class/suburbia/the normal. It's not a geogprahic reference.
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ROFLMAO.

It's amazing how stupid and insular some people on here are. They have no idea of the context, yet will argue and argue about things that don't make sense. And for someone to say 'DERRRRRRRR'... well basically that's just an insult to themselves.

By the way Sexas, what nationality are you? I'm guessing that you're not actually American, judging by your spelling and grammar. Or is that just how everyone communicates in Texas?
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Old July 30th, 2008, 07:54 PM   #665
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Me too in a strange way; it's rare you find someone here whose points are so easy to argue against.
Oh please! one thing we all agree on is you guy want to see me here than guys only post a happy face emoticon. And I always open for your option.

Again I still don't think the government's plan is the best plan for Olympics, it lack of detail and promise.
like: so the government is turn the stadium to a sad 20K seat track and field after the game (ok I can see your point), but they lack of promise anything on how to promoting it to the youth, how to get more kid to run and use the stadium after the game, and what do they do with the waste material from the stadium and walk way. Those are some major point (IMO) I will more look in to it than just care about function and profit.
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Old July 30th, 2008, 08:02 PM   #666
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ROFLMAO.

It's amazing how stupid and insular some people on here are. They have no idea of the context, yet will argue and argue about things that don't make sense. And for someone to say 'DERRRRRRRR'... well basically that's just an insult to themselves.

By the way Sexas, what nationality are you? I'm guessing that you're not actually American, judging by your spelling and grammar. Or is that just how everyone communicates in Texas?
cool it ROFLMAO, out of context is very common mistake here in SC. I am Brit from Hong Kong grow up in Holland and London can you believe it...LOL I believe communcation is ....comuncation. I am not writing a book here, non try to win a spelling bee, if you can read and understand that's good to pass the mark.
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I think some people are being a bit harsh here, I think basketball given the same level of promotion as in the US would be massively popular over here in the UK. Baseball I'm not so sure of. I'm saying this looking out of my window in Stockwell into the centre of the estate at a load of kids playing..... yep, basketball. As sexas says theres no promotion of basket ball here in the UK, its like it exists but only as an after school club etc.

When I was in the states the culture and imagery surrounding basketball just oozes excitement when you watch, and watching it is great. I dont even know how to play it but i was hooked while i was over there.. even baseball I found quite fun.

With a bit of promotion and...ahem...money... I think basketball in particular would be very successful with our anglo-jameri-stani british youth was it given the chance to flourish as a mainstream sport.
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Sexas' proposals were for the main Olympic stadium. Promote basketball all you like for the smaller arenas but it's not realistic to say "keep the stadium at 80,000 and let's try and get American football going in this country" which is what Sexas seemed to be saying.
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Yes, basketball would seem to be the only option out of the 3 main American sports that would be popular over here.

We already have baseball, its called rounders, and is restricted mainly to School PE lessons because its just not that popular.
Dont even get me started on American football.
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But again, what we were talking about when Sexas brought up American sports was the legacy of the Olympic stadium. The two have no connection and only Sexas has suggested they ought to.
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Yes, American sports will always be confined to America, and to a few other nations such as japan. We have our alternatives in Europe and the American versions simply would not attract enough people to keep an 80,000 stadium operating, no matter how much you promote it.
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cool it ROFLMAO, out of context is very common mistake here in SC. I am Brit from Hong Kong grow up in Holland and London can you believe it...LOL I believe communcation is ....comuncation. I am not writing a book here, non try to win a spelling bee, if you can read and understand that's good to pass the mark.
So why is your spelling and grammar so appalling then? So what if you're 'not writing a book' - you're still trying to get your point across, and the correct use of English would make that much easier for all parties involved.

American football would never take over in Europe. An exhibition game was played in Sydney, and had something like 100 people attend. I can't imagine it being very well attended in Europe, especially considering how much most people look down on American culture.
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So why is your spelling and grammar so appalling then? So what if you're 'not writing a book' - you're still trying to get your point across, and the correct use of English would make that much easier for all parties involved.

American football would never take over in Europe. An exhibition game was played in Sydney, and had something like 100 people attend. I can't imagine it being very well attended in Europe, especially considering how much most people look down on American culture.
I smell a rat.

There is no way ANYONE who has set foot in the UK (like he claims)-- or even people that have common cultural knowledge of the nation-- would suggest that the citizens of the British Isles should take up baseball in their spare time. I mean, wtf!
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don't get me wrong but i don't like the olympic stadium, too simple for my taste, but i love the aquatic center.
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I smell a rat.

There is no way ANYONE who has set foot in the UK (like he claims)-- or even people that have common cultural knowledge of the nation-- would suggest that the citizens of the British Isles should take up baseball in their spare time. I mean, wtf!
Alphaville I feel sad for you. Just like American isn't a big fan of football, but we try to make it work by having a Major League Soccer game. Do you think those investor will ever see any big profit for investing in MLS like the one in Europe? my feeling is "not in his/her life time"
But somebody need to do it and it take a whole lot of passion and vision. If everybody took your believe in thinking of "because it is how it is" and "It is Brit, we have our cultural! we don't need other country's shit." it will be a very sad world...cultural can always change for better. Did you ever play a game of baseball or basketball with your kid? Or show them how to play baseball and basketball, instead force them only watch football? I don't think giving our kid an option is a foreign cultural for the Brit.
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So why is your spelling and grammar so appalling then? So what if you're 'not writing a book' - you're still trying to get your point across, and the correct use of English would make that much easier for all parties involved.
謝謝您的回應,我講英文,中文,荷蘭文,德文。我很抱歉我的英語水平大不如你,但如果你能使用完美的中文回應我的答复,我想我可以給你更好的英語回應。

City-thing FYI English isn't the most popular language in the world, it belong to Chinese and Spanish. It just happen this board using English as common language, and I have no intention to spend a long time for grammar check on everything I post here. If you can't understand my post or have problem with my post, I am sorry. But base on your statement...I don't see you have problem with my writing. So what is your point? And what type of little gift I will get by helping a picky guy out?
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But again, what we were talking about when Sexas brought up American sports was the legacy of the Olympic stadium. The two have no connection and only Sexas has suggested they ought to.
What I try to point out was the legacy of Olympic game in London, not just a pretty park or few new stadiums but a real legacy. Something will bring the Brit a better quality of sport, no just tennis and football. Olympics can bring those "uncommon" sport to our kid, give them an option, give them space to play, a icon to fall in love with, Olympics can do that easily.
If LOCOG have no plan for the youth after the game, even the stadium turn to a 20K seat after the game, it will still ONLY use by a few elites and professional, it will not be the best outcome and legacy by hosting the game.
I want LOCOG to draw down some type of system to help the kid who grow up poor but like to play sport? How they use the profit from the Olympic to build a better quality of sport for our kid. FYI Is it also a main part of bid for London 2012 too - What Londoner can get from Olympic after the game?
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What I try to point out was the legacy of Olympic game in London, not just a pretty park or few new stadiums but a real legacy. Something will bring the Brit a better quality of sport, no just tennis and football. Olympics can bring those "uncommon" sport to our kid, give them an option, give them space to play, a icon to fall in love with, Olympics can do that easily.
If LOCOG have no plan for the youth after the game, even the stadium turn to a 20K seat after the game, it will still ONLY use by a few elites and professional, it will not be the best outcome and legacy by hosting the game.
I want LOCOG to draw down some type of system to help the kid who grow up poor but like to play sport? How they use the profit from the Olympic to build a better quality of sport for our kid. FYI Is it also a main part of bid for London 2012 too - What Londoner can get from Olympic after the game?
You seem ill informed, Sexas. Here's a good article already posted in the UK section. As you can see, Sebastian Coe is already seeing some of the many benefits of hosting the 2012 Olympics.



Four years tomorrow the capital's Games begin and real work starts now, the chairman says
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Sebastian Coe will travel to Beijing at the head an 80-strong team of staff.

For the 250,000 athletes, coaches, officials and sponsors descending on China in the next fortnight, the start of the Beijing Games marks the culmination of four years of preparation and expectation. For a 110-strong delegation from the UK, however, the lighting of the Beijing flame is just the start. Four years tomorrow, the London Olympics will begin in a stadium that is not yet built at the heart of a park that is currently little more than 270 acres of earthworks and a host of good intentions.

For the team delivering the London Games Beijing represents a crucial staging post on the road to 2012, a final opportunity to witness a summer Games in practice before they have to do it themselves.

It also marks the point at which the city takes responsibility for the Olympic flag and all the pressures and scrutiny that come with it, a moment that will be marked by an eight-minute performance at the closing ceremony and the physical transfer of the flag from the International Olympic Committee president, Jacques Rogge, to London's mayor, Boris Johnson.

In Beijing seven years of preparation are about to reach a climax that will help define China for decades to come. For London the build-up to their own moment of truth starts now and the next three weeks will be crucial in helping ensure the 2012 Games are a success.

The Beijing Games also mark the halfway point in Sebastian Coe's tenure as chairman of the London organising committee (Locog), and he will travel to China at the head of an 80-strong team of staff from Locog and the Olympic Delivery Authority (ODA) who will study operations in China first-hand as part of a knowledge-sharing "observer programme".

Joining the team will be another 30 government representatives including four ministers, their private secretaries and press officers, as well as representatives of the police, ambulance service and fire brigade, health authorities, the home office, the Ministry of Defence and the security services. Few areas of British public life will not be impacted by London 2012 and they will all be on hand to see what a Games looks like close up.

Coe will also be updating the assembled IOC membership on London's progress so far and reassuring anyone who asks that his Games will be ready. In political and practical terms Beijing matters for London and Coe is under no illusions that the real work of delivering the Games starts now.

"The first thing I want to take out of Beijing is the on-the-ground experience of witnessing a Games at close quarters, a chance that only happens once in the lifetime of a host city," he said this week.

"The IOC have been very complimentary about the planning we have done and the physical work on the park but the operational aspects of running a Games remain a very complex part of the project and our teams, be they involved with media, venues, operations or the athletes' village, need the experience of seeing the games at first hand."

As important as the practical realities will be the symbolic moment when London's Olympiad begins. Coe is looking forward to the moment the penny drops that London is next but is preparing for the unparalleled levels of scrutiny that will come with it.

"At the handover, domestically there will be a moment when the nation realises 'Oh God, it's us next', and I want that to happen. But perhaps the biggest change is not in the domestic day-to-day, but level of international scrutiny that is coming our way," explained Coe.

"After Beijing when the New York Times, the Melbourne Age or Frankfurt Allgemeine Zeitung want to write about the Olympics they will be writing about London and we will be their first port of call. It's not going to be Beijing, blogs and air conditioning, it's going to be us. The level of international interest will increase just as dramatically as the domestic scrutiny."

Coe is confident that the project is well-placed to shine in the spotlight that will swing its way at the end of August despite a turbulent year marked by continued domestic concern over the £9.3bn construction budget and a change of mayor in London.

The greatest concern surrounds the spiralling cost of the major venues - the projected cost of all of the "big five" venues has increased since November and there is every chance that it will rise again as the economic climate deteriorates - and difficult negotiations between the ODA and Lend Lease over the level of public subsidy for the Olympic village. Johnson's election has also disturbed the cosy consensus between the mayor's office and Olympics minister, Tessa Jowell, but with three of the four members of the Olympic board now having held the Tory whip at some stage in their career - the BOA chairman, Lord Moynihan, is the other - his rise has been less disruptive than it might have been.

More positively Coe can point to a mark of "9.75 out of 10" from the IOC for progress so far and an advanced commercial programme that has seen six tier-one sponsors already signed up for in excess of £325m, more than any other host city has ever had on board going into the preceding Olympics. Many of them have also activated community programmes intended to deliver on Coe's lofty promise during the bid that the Games will transform sport in the UK forever.

Coe's enthusiasm for the transformative effect of London 2012 is genuine and enduring and, while he acknowledges the "static" surrounding the funding issue, he says progress in the next year, which will see venues begin to rise from the mud in east London and the launch of the cultural Olympiad, will help bring the country together behind the project.

"As a nation I don't think we are anything other than slow burn, we don't make our minds up too quickly and, when we make our minds up, we stick to it," he said. "But I am happy with where we are in terms of public perception, although I don't kid myself that we haven't got a process of engagement that we will have to drive all the way through to 2012.

"But when I go around the country I'm not in what I call budget or logo mode. Instead I've got people showing me what they are doing on the ground. I went to a comprehensive school in inner-city Middlesbrough last week and I was chatting to kids who are fast approaching national standard in rowing only two years after first getting into a boat.

"They are rowing on a purpose-built lake by the [River] Tees barrage and my one frustration is that I am not able to let the whole nation see some of the astonishing things happening in its regional backyard as a result of getting these Games."
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That's what I talking about what Olympics really is and why any city will kill to host the Olympics.

*Many of them have also activated community programmes intended to deliver on Coe's lofty promise during the bid that the Games will transform sport in the UK forever.*
Still a question: Coe did promise better sport for the kid, but all those are "community programme!!" What do the government do to full fill the promise?
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Yes, basketball would seem to be the only option out of the 3 main American sports that would be popular over here.

We already have baseball, its called rounders, and is restricted mainly to School PE lessons because its just not that popular.
Dont even get me started on American football.
By American, I take it you mean North American. Baseball, basketball, and gridiron are played in the US, but it's more accurate to call them indigenous to both the US and Canada. None of the big 4 sports, ice-hockey being the other, is a foreign import to Canada.
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