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Old July 30th, 2007, 05:14 PM   #181
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Actually I've seen some of those third lanes for trucks on A1 between Rome andi Firenze. And yes, some of Italian ascents are actually quite steep. Some trucks crawl 30km/h on them for quite some time.
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Old July 30th, 2007, 05:37 PM   #182
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Italian tunnels are among the unsafest of Europe. The safest are generally in Croatia and other Eastern European countries with new tunnels.

That's because those tunnels are fairly new, and constructed according to modern safety requirements, while most Alptunnels are decades old, and very out-of-date.

The freakiest tunnel i've been in, was the Bielsa tunnel on the French/Spanish border. No lighting, and the tunnel was a few kilometers long, and sometimes bikers are in it too. Thank god the traffic was almost non-existent there.
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Old July 30th, 2007, 05:42 PM   #183
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I've got to see some photo's of those steep autostrade!!

Some photo's of the beggining of the french A8, right after crossing the border from Italy:






Really low speed limits!! Even taking into account it's a 6% downhill. Here in Portugal it would probably have only a 100Km/h limitation (like many 6% downhill cases on A25, for example).
Still, as this A8 has a huge amount of traffic(and many trucks), I guess it's comprehensile.



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Old July 30th, 2007, 05:49 PM   #184
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Italian tunnels are among the unsafest of Europe. The safest are generally in Croatia and other Eastern European countries with new tunnels.

That's because those tunnels are fairly new, and constructed according to modern safety requirements, while most Alptunnels are decades old, and very out-of-date.

Indeed... the new tunels being built in Spain are also among the safest... I think the tunnel in Madrid which goes under the airport (M-111 or something) was considered the safest in Europe. The tunnels there are in portuguese A-23 are also among the top 10 or something.
As you said, if the tunnels are new, they're safe. As for the old ones, it's time to retrofit them.
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Old July 30th, 2007, 06:29 PM   #185
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wow! those photos from F-I border are rare and fantastic! do you have more?

the longest slow lane for trucks in Croatia is at going down to Rijeka at A6 - trucks are often going down in 2nd gear about 30-40 km/h.

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Old July 30th, 2007, 06:45 PM   #186
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Obviously one of the problems with italian tunnels (like quite everything else with our motorways) is that they quite always are 40/50 years old; and got those safety standards
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Old July 30th, 2007, 06:50 PM   #187
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Old July 30th, 2007, 08:00 PM   #188
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A1 - Autostrada del Sole

From Bologna to Napoli/Naples - various pics:

Very old, narrow and curvy motorway between Bologna and Firenze. It is being upgraded and widened, but most of the work is still in beginning phases. Amazing and spectacular feeling, when driving, but you feel somehow unsafe.



One of many ancient tunnels on that section, literally black hole (except of inadequate lightning). One side of those tunnels feels like going through 19th century railway tunnels.


Various pics from Toscana and Umbria. Mostly autostrada is upgraded to modern standards.







Signage:
- typical signage for junction


- typical signage for intersection of two autostradas (not very different from above, which I find wrong). Here around Firence/Florence, motorway is being reconstructed to 3+3 lanes.


- something like this should be on every busy motorway in the world. Showing minutes to arrival at destination - by my experiences pretty exact.


Widening (from 2+2 to 3+3+2 emergency lanes) of the only tunnel on A1 around Rome and this under traffic. Quite unique project. Project is now already going towards finish.


Rome - Napoli section. Long, quite boring and even in rush hour not extremely busy (which I find somehow strange, regarding this is the only motorway connection between two big cities about 140 km apart):

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Old July 31st, 2007, 11:04 AM   #189
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Widening (from 2+2 to 3+3+2 emergency lanes) of the only tunnel on A1 around Rome and this under traffic. Quite unique project. Project is now already going towards finish.
That is a unique tecnique and it would be very interesting if in the future they will use it to wide many other tunnels

I saw works last quite a lot though; but it could be 'cause it is the first time they make that way... in the future probably they would work faster











http://www.autostrade.it/opere/a1_or...html?initPos=2

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Old July 31st, 2007, 11:08 AM   #190
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Anyway... yesterday they completed the works for 4th lane on A4 between Milano and Bergamo in direction of Bergamo and opened it to traffic

In September they will open even the opposite direction
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Old August 1st, 2007, 01:06 AM   #191
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That tunnel enlargement tecnique is awesome!!
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Old August 1st, 2007, 11:31 AM   #192
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it is! i was allways wondering how is it done
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Old August 1st, 2007, 04:12 PM   #193
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I want to back in Liguria for a moment now

There is a little stretch of a planned superstrada (Aurelia bis) which lies 1 kilometer South of A10
They built just the run from Arma di Taggia to San Remo and I have no idea how long the whole project of the freeway should be
Surely its construction is taking too long time

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Old August 1st, 2007, 09:49 PM   #194
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Old August 1st, 2007, 09:51 PM   #195
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Old August 2nd, 2007, 01:32 AM   #196
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Does anyone have pictures of Orvieto as seen from A1?
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Old August 2nd, 2007, 08:54 AM   #197
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Does anyone have pictures of Orvieto as seen from A1?
I think, this is the one:
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Old August 2nd, 2007, 10:10 AM   #198
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What a crap the guardrail on the right!!!
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Old August 2nd, 2007, 10:21 AM   #199
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