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Old September 28th, 2010, 10:25 PM   #2001
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Good news that at least that missing link in the superstrada will now be filled. Even though I do agree that the route between Tarquinia and Grosseto requires an upgrade to get to superstrada level. And when you're doing that, a tolled motorway makes a much more pleasant drive at a comparable investment.

Regarding the remaining 200 kilometers to Livorno, any clue what exact route was eventually selected? A while ago, there was discussion about the choice between a route more or less following the current Aurelia or a route more inland.
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Old September 29th, 2010, 02:41 AM   #2003
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Good news that at least that missing link in the superstrada will now be filled. Even though I do agree that the route between Tarquinia and Grosseto requires an upgrade to get to superstrada level. And when you're doing that, a tolled motorway makes a much more pleasant drive at a comparable investment.

Regarding the remaining 200 kilometers to Livorno, any clue what exact route was eventually selected? A while ago, there was discussion about the choice between a route more or less following the current Aurelia or a route more inland.
It's intricate...apparently it will be very close or over current Aurelia

The internal route has been pushed away
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Old September 29th, 2010, 01:25 PM   #2004
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It's intricate...apparently it will be very close or over current Aurelia

The internal route has been pushed away
We could come with a situation like A14 near Bari:

- an old, Roman-era, 1+1 road
- a newer 2+2 expressway, substandard
- an autostrada
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Old September 29th, 2010, 03:31 PM   #2005
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On the stretch South of Grosseto, the old 1+1 road is missing. There is just the current 2+2 road. You can't do without that existing road, as it would leave farms and slower traffic without a connection to the outside world. I can imagine that road to be downgraded though. For a 2+2 road, it is rather narrow. Making it 1+2 with a possibility to turn left seems a sensible option.

North of Grosseto, a full upgrade of the existing superstrada would be feasible, as there is the old 1+1 road anyway. Where the existing superstrada is bypassed, you might indeed end up with the Bari situation you describe.
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Old September 29th, 2010, 07:48 PM   #2006
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- level-junction at Montalto Marina: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...05246&t=k&z=18

- level-junction at Pescia Romana: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...20986&t=h&z=16

- very substandard exits like this at Santa Maria di Ripescia: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...10493&t=h&z=17
All of those look much improved in Google Street View. No level junctions anymore.
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Still as level as can be. You just can't turn left anymore, but that's only a partial solution, not superstrada standard.
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Old September 30th, 2010, 01:20 PM   #2008
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In Italy motorways have 2x2 or 3x3 lanes in some areas, cities...
do you have motorways with 4x4 lanes? Probably in big cities like Roma, Milano...
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Old September 30th, 2010, 01:42 PM   #2009
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In Italy motorways have 2x2 or 3x3 lanes in some areas, cities...
do you have motorways with 4x4 lanes? Probably in big cities like Roma, Milano...
I guess you meant 2X4.

A1 Bologna-Modena is 2X4, so is A4 Milano-Bergamo and A8 Milano-A9jct. I'm not sure about any other 2X4 highway in Italy.
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Old September 30th, 2010, 03:56 PM   #2010
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Actualli Bologna-Modena is a 2+4+4+2
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Old September 30th, 2010, 04:43 PM   #2011
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AUTOSTRADE A QUATTRO CORSIE

A1 Milano - Napoli 33,9
A8/A9 Milano-Laghi 10,0
A4 Milano - Brescia 33,6

TOTALE A QUATTRO CORSIE 77,5

http://www.aiscat.it/pubblicazioni/d...m_3_4_2009.pdf
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I guess you meant 2X4.

A1 Bologna-Modena is 2X4, so is A4 Milano-Bergamo and A8 Milano-A9jct. I'm not sure about any other 2X4 highway in Italy.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 02:49 PM   #2013
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It is for me. Maybe it's because it has a .pdf extension and you security software blocks it. Try the shorter link: http://www.aiscat.it The attached PDF, by the way, is an excellent summary of the Italian network. Written in Italian, but graphs/maps accessible anyway.

Some key figures, for fun:

Total motorway network length: 6.661km
of which NOT under private (tolled) administration (ANAS highways): 905km

Under construction and planned new motorways: 677km

2X3 motorways: 1625km
2+3 motorways: 7km
2X4 motorways: 78km

International tunnel traffic (AADT 2009)
Fréjus: 4.240
San Bernardo: 1.586
Monte Bianco/Mont Blanc: 4.747

Highest AADT for comprehensive sector (not just urban ones) on private network
A4 Milano-Brescia: 108.975

Lowest AADT for comprehensive sector on private network
A33: 6.741 (but it's a highway u/c)
A5: 9.171 (Aosta-French border)

Highest assistance intervention rate for road assistance due to breakdowns (per vehicleXkm):
A1 Firenze-Bologna (4.95 / 1000000 vehXkm)


Lowest assistance intervention rate for road assistance due to breakdowns (per vehicleXkm):
A4 Padova-Mestre (0.56 / 1000000 vehXkm)

If reading the article, bear in mind that the "veicoli effettivi" represents the total # of vehicles that used a given sector, even between just two exits. So by comparing that data to the AADT you can have an idea of the length of vehicle trips by sector (for the international tunnels, both numbers will be identical for obvious reasons).
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Old October 1st, 2010, 10:56 PM   #2014
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A8 Milano - Gallarate

Some pictures of the oldest Autostrada of Italy, opened in 1924.

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Diramazione A8/A26 Gallarate - Gravellona Toce

Continuation from the batch above.

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Old October 2nd, 2010, 01:07 PM   #2016
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Thank you very much for your great pictures!!
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Old October 2nd, 2010, 05:40 PM   #2017
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was this your route to Geneve?
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No, Chris was camped "in the brig" (Brig, CH) and he was returning there. And the location's name explains why I want to see Chris banned next year.
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Sicily, Getting ready for the first sun-powered highway

Rome, Oct 2 (Il Velino) - It is the highway of the sun but it's the first highway completely powered by the sun. Countdown is almost complete for the A18 Catania-Syracuse, from 1 January 2011, will produce energy from photovoltaic panels, capable of making the highway Sicilian energy self-sufficient. Lights, fans in the tunnels, road signs, telephones for emergency calls, will it work with all solar panels. The highway solar development capacity of 12 million kWh per year, will be tested by November, to be ready by early next year. Thirty kilometers totally powered by the sun. "The total electricity used for all services necessary for the operation of the entire structure - announced Pizzarotti & C, the construction company based in Parma - 80 thousand will be provided by solar panels spread over 20 hectares concentrated on 2.8 kilometers covered by 3 tunnels to a width of 100 meters. " Currently, more than 25 percent of existing solar panels generating electricity. The Pizzarotti & C. is working to install the remaining panels that will be permanently active in the early days of December. The project, costing 60 million euros, will ensure an annual saving of 31mila tonnes of oil equivalent and will avoid the emission of 10 thousand tons of carbon dioxide. The Catania-Siracusa is one of the first attempts to integrate a real mini plant for the production of energy within a work of infrastructure, a virtuous example of a collaboration between public and private sectors and Pizzarotti Anas.

"The road to the future - Pizzarotti said Paul, president of the company - has to be the creation of buildings and smart grids and energy self-sufficient that fit into the area by minimizing the 'environmental impact." Enormous energy and environmental benefits on arrival and other important advantages. Plants, for example, will be under video surveillance to prevent theft. Not only that, the Pizzarotti & C. ensure, for 20 years, a daily check of the fenced areas, affected by the galleries. This is to ensure the safety of those crossing the highway. The Catania - Siracusa, then, is a role model, even on the security front, as the most technologically modern highway systems in Europe for quality control, and asphalt-art security equipment. The gallery "San Demetrio" on the A18 has been recognized for safety by the Italian consortium Euro Tap ", the 'European Tunnel Assessment Programme", which includes engineers and experts of the fifteen major "car" and "Touring Club" Europe. In addition, the "green areas" involved in the project, otherwise destined to be left unattended and used as open dumps, will be an important plan for environmental restoration. The Pizzarotti & Co. predicted that some resources will, in fact, used to the planting of thousands of plants and trees on the strengthening of rows and hedges and woodland regeneration and the increase of the masses. The development model for renewable energy is to be extended to other realities. At Parma, on behalf of Pizzarotti , was designed, the Urban District, mall 168mila square meters. The new structure will result in an increase of 2 percent of overall energy demand of the civil sector in the town of Parma. will not suffice to compensate the PV: You look back radically ' building to take advantage of the potential offered by the local microclimate (natural light, ventilation, production of various renewable energy sources) by installing high-efficiency plant systems.

(Com / CHC) October 2, 2010

source: http://www.ilvelino.it/articolo.php?Id=1211702

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Nice. Now I wish they increase the speed limit to 150km/h,

By the way, as many of you already know, the road authority is allowed by law to increase speed limits up to 150 km/h in highways with 3 or more lanes per direction.
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