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Old February 10th, 2011, 09:16 AM   #2221
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Welcome, but A33 is already partly opened to traffic since 2005. I don't think they opened anything new in January 2011.
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Old February 10th, 2011, 09:20 AM   #2222
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As per Italian Wikipedia:

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Dicembre 2008: sono iniziati i lavori nei lotti Sant'Albano Stura-Castelletto Stura e Castelletto Stura-Cuneo: dovranno essere completati entro fine 2011.
Maybe this section opened ahead of schedule?
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Old February 10th, 2011, 09:29 AM   #2223
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According to the website it is not:
http://www.asticuneo.it/index.php?op...d=66&Itemid=68

but the website can be outdated. Anyone who knows more?
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Old February 10th, 2011, 12:07 PM   #2224
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According to the website it is not:
http://www.asticuneo.it/index.php?op...d=66&Itemid=68

but the website can be outdated. Anyone who knows more?
I was there 2 weeks ago: the A33 still ends in S. Albano Stura. After the toll station there is a big construction site (seems a tunnel) related to the next stretch.
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Old February 10th, 2011, 05:18 PM   #2225
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Do you have a news source that can confirm the opening of A33?
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostr...3_%28Italia%29

I wrongly understood the first sentence. Sorry!
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Old February 10th, 2011, 05:23 PM   #2226
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It says it's (as of januari 2011) partially opened and partially under construction and partially planned, right?

I'm working to improve my Italian.
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Old February 10th, 2011, 05:23 PM   #2227
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Old February 10th, 2011, 05:30 PM   #2228
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It says it's (as of januari 2011) partially opened and partially under construction and partially planned, right?

I'm working to improve my Italian.
Correct. Bravo, Chris!
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Old February 10th, 2011, 06:23 PM   #2229
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They couldn't because the last section is a superstrada, not tolled, while the A14 is tolled. These two kinds of road are never linked together.
I don't see the reason, why this would be important. You link superstrada directly onto autostrada with toll barrier before connection, so you don't need to drive through town.

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But A4 and Tangenziale di Torino are connected.
Yeah, but quality of connection is pretty bad.
In my opinion A4 should directly connect onto A55 and not so as it is now:
http://goo.gl/maps/ZLqd
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Old February 10th, 2011, 06:33 PM   #2230
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I don't see the reason, why this would be important. You link superstrada directly onto autostrada with toll barrier before connection, so you don't need to drive through town.
Superstrada and autostrada may look similar, but their purposes are quite different: superstrade usually serve local traffic. It is more important that they are well linked with local roads than with autostradas. So the priorities are given to local connections.
About the superstrada connecting A24 and A14 they chose to divert the traffic from A24 into A14 thru the already existing toll both in Giulianova, otherwise they would have to build booth just for the superstrada. Moreover, the superstrada serves local traffic: with your solution, if you want to go to the seaside only and miss the last exit, your only chance would be entering the autostrada and exiting it who knows how many km away from your destination.

What I'm against is the superstrada itself in this case. They should have built it as autostrada connecting directly the two autostrade.


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Yeah, but quality of connection is pretty bad.
In my opinion A4 should directly connect onto A55 and not so as it is now:
http://goo.gl/maps/ZLqd
Fact is that A55 is directly linked with another autostrada, A5.
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Old February 10th, 2011, 08:45 PM   #2231
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Fact is that A55 is directly linked with another autostrada, A5.
Yeah, but I think there is much more traffic from A4 to A55 than from A5 to A55 (at least in my experience, I drove both connections). Also, connection from A4->A55 is very awkward on A4. 3 lanes merging onto 2 lanes just before junction, which itself has really short decelerating lane. If you're not very careful, you'll continue toward Torino center instead of A55. Any plans to make that better?
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Old February 10th, 2011, 10:44 PM   #2232
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I don't think so, at least, I've never heard about that. Besides, in the area the theme of the day is the East Tangenziale of Turin... if they build it possibly they could also rearrange that connection, but I wouldn't count on it..
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Old February 13th, 2011, 07:03 PM   #2233
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Looks like normal for Italy: start ploughing snow a day after snowing finished.
This is completely false.
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Old February 13th, 2011, 07:25 PM   #2234
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Maybe, just my experience. And A1 December incidence proves that.

Still, 10 cm of snow usually cause total chaos in Northern Italy and plowing to the clean road is usually done quite few days after last snow, especially on minor roads.
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Old February 13th, 2011, 07:36 PM   #2235
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Maybe, just my experience. And A1 December incidence proves that.

Still, 10 cm of snow usually cause total chaos in Northern Italy and plowing to the clean road is usually done quite few days after last snow, especially on minor roads.
It always depends on the situation. A22 of the Brenner in Italy is kept always free of snow. On the other hand, for instance, last time I drove thru Austria it was a nightmare: 150 km of heavy snowstorm and not even a single snowplough.
I agree with you that the A1 December incident was way out of what can be considered normal.

About minor roads: in Germany they don't plough them at all. Secondary roads I usually drive have still some ice on them even after two full weeks of good weather and above-zero temperatures.
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Old February 13th, 2011, 07:41 PM   #2236
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Maybe, just my experience. And A1 December incidence proves that.
Your experience proves nothing; the A1 block was an exception, an accident.

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Still, 10 cm of snow usually cause total chaos in Northern Italy and plowing to the clean road is usually done quite few days after last snow, especially on minor roads.
Even the second part of your sentence is completely false; no other highways has been blocked this year and the past years.
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Old February 14th, 2011, 12:05 AM   #2237
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Ok, I'll keep to myself. All the chaos caused by snow in Italy can be now considered as my pure imagination, traffic always runs smoothly, when there is heavy snowing in Italy.
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Old February 14th, 2011, 10:24 AM   #2238
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You have a fervent imagination.
The situation in Italy during heavy snowing is similar to the rest of european highways.
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Old February 14th, 2011, 10:36 PM   #2239
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I drove often on the mountainous A25. Always clear of snow even under the harshest conditions

and it's not exactly a big highway

I think Keber you are saying something which is not true. Actually management of our roads in winter is quite good, we almost never have the complete standstill of UK and central europe, even with similar (in north italy) weather
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The situation in Italy during heavy snowing is similar to the rest of european highways.
Utter chaos. The Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Britain, Switzerland and Germany saw complete traffic gridlocks during the December snow storms.
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