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Old March 2nd, 2011, 11:49 PM   #2341
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Valid until 15/03, will be revoked earlier if atmospheric conditions improve. I wish they passed a law withdrawing provincial authority (let alone local) to do anything in regard of rules concerning traffic on national roads they don't pay for - and on ALL highways.
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Old March 2nd, 2011, 11:55 PM   #2342
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They had this on A58 motorway in the Netherlands near Tilburg. During times of smog, the speed limit was reduced from 120 to 80 km/h and enforced. However, surveys showed the effect was too little to be measure. Emissions were down somewhat, but emissions only add to concentrations, and the effect on the concentration is negligible, especially for PM10 concentrations.

They need to stop this symbolic idiocy as soon as possible.
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Old March 2nd, 2011, 11:55 PM   #2343
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Due to of air pollution on A50, A51 and A52 the speed limit is 70 km/h (instead of 90 km/h)
During peak hours, 70 km/h it's not a limit: it's A TARGET (impossible to achieve)!

During the rest of the day... Nobody ever respected the 90 km/k limit, so now nobody will continue non-respecting the 70 km/h limit. The only difference is that approaching a "speed trap" you have to brake a bit more than before...
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Old March 3rd, 2011, 12:55 AM   #2344
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During the rest of the day... Nobody ever respected the 90 km/k limit, so now nobody will continue non-respecting the 70 km/h limit.
I did

And I got plenty of cars honking me, particularly at mid-afternoon. But I never cared about speeders, though I usually drove on the central lane (right one usually had slower than 90km/h traffic anyway)
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Old March 3rd, 2011, 01:01 AM   #2345
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... double post, sorry
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Old March 5th, 2011, 03:59 PM   #2346
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And I got plenty of cars honking me, particularly at mid-afternoon. But I never cared about speeders, though I usually drove on the central lane (right one usually had slower than 90km/h traffic anyway)
I didn't!

Sometimes I should try to drive one of the "tangenziali" at 70km/h and tape it with a camera to explain how stupid and useless the 70 km/h limit is!
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Old March 5th, 2011, 06:55 PM   #2347
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I found a view very old signs in napoli, with roma A2 and bari A17
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Old March 5th, 2011, 07:24 PM   #2348
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I found a view very old signs in napoli, with roma A2 and bari A17
The mythic A2

Now more seriously: I think they should convert A3 into the southern branch of A1.

For those unfamiliar with the context: the northeast highway bypass of Roma didn't exist until 1988, hence the Roma-Napoli highway was numbered A2. Upon completion of the bypass, the connecting sectors of A1 and A2 were named A1-Diramazione and A2 was dropped.

As for the story surrounding A17, I'm not sure. I know A17 used to be the name of Napoli-Bari highway, but later the whole Adriatic highway was numbered A14. Yet, I don't understand why the Napoli-A14 sector didn't keep the original number (Italian wikipedia blame it on superstition, but I don't buy it).
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Old March 5th, 2011, 07:54 PM   #2349
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The mythic A2

Now more seriously: I think they should convert A3 into the southern branch of A1.

For those unfamiliar with the context: the northeast highway bypass of Roma didn't exist until 1988, hence the Roma-Napoli highway was numbered A2. Upon completion of the bypass, the connecting sectors of A1 and A2 were named A1-Diramazione and A2 was dropped.

As for the story surrounding A17, I'm not sure. I know A17 used to be the name of Napoli-Bari highway, but later the whole Adriatic highway was numbered A14. Yet, I don't understand why the Napoli-A14 sector didn't keep the original number (Italian wikipedia blame it on superstition, but I don't buy it).
i know these facts, i found it just funny!! and there are new signs as well, with a2 on it. but i'm of your opinion: i don't know why they don't replace it....also the autostrade per'l italia, because before the interchange with a30, there is an a2 sign on the a1 in direction of napoli, too....
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Old March 6th, 2011, 11:48 AM   #2350
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As for the story surrounding A17, I'm not sure. I know A17 used to be the name of Napoli-Bari highway, but later the whole Adriatic highway was numbered A14. Yet, I don't understand why the Napoli-A14 sector didn't keep the original number (Italian wikipedia blame it on superstition, but I don't buy it).
Monterie.com mentions that the number A17 was probably never signposted at all. It must have been a very short period during which the number A17 existed. Unlikely as the story about superstition sounds (there is a SS17, for one), I cannot think of any other reason for the renumbering and for completely removing the number 17 from the list of A-routes.

There would be one good reason for not numbering the A1 all the way into Calabria. That is that traffic heading between Milano / Roma and Calabria will not take the A1/A3 through Napoli, but would instead use the A30 to bypass Napoli. Simply renumbering the current A3 into A1 would give something of a wrong suggestion to motorists that they should simply continue on the A1, so that they would miss that bypass. Unless you'd go for a complete renumbering that also takes the A30 into the equation.
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Old March 6th, 2011, 05:06 PM   #2351
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Not all countries have it like that. For example, the Munich bypass is A99, not A8.
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Bear in mind that A30 and A3 are not directly linked, you have to pass thru RA2 "Salerno-Avellino" which has the name but not the characteristics of an autostrada...
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I know - and for that very reason I don't think it would come handy to go for such a renumbering. Verso's remark about the situation at Munich is true, but I think that that situation is far from ideal and is not there to be copied ...
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Bear in mind that A30 and A3 are not directly linked, you have to pass thru RA2 "Salerno-Avellino" which has the name but not the characteristics of an autostrada...
Partially true

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Old March 6th, 2011, 08:50 PM   #2355
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Link A28-A23 will be a tolled superstrada (''strada extraurbana principale'')



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Old March 6th, 2011, 08:55 PM   #2356
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Partially true
I drove it some months ago, only the section between A30 and A3... the part near the A30 is not so bad, but the part near A3 is awful, narrow and with a killer turn at the very end.
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Old March 7th, 2011, 12:12 AM   #2357
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Partially true
Not only partially, in my opinion it is really uncomfortable to drive on it. Direct link of A30 and A3 would be really big improvement.
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Old March 15th, 2011, 04:45 PM   #2358
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Speed limit on the A50-A51-A52 was put back to 90 km/h (from 70). This useless measure applied for three weeks costed 80.000 €.

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Old March 15th, 2011, 07:39 PM   #2359
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A strange 2+1 road near Lucca (no more than 3 km long).

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I think the right one was the older road, replaced by the new 2-lane highway.
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