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Old June 20th, 2011, 07:52 PM   #2541
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So if the owner of the A31 (BVVP, isn't it?) decided to pursue construction of the Valdastico Nord, I think that their other motorways would be used to fund the losses generated by its Northern branch. In other words, they'll just increase tolls elsewhere. Means that completing the A31 cannot really be seen as something that is in Italy's or even Veneto's public interest.
I don't know, in general I prefer slightly higher tolls everywhere than a 20€ toll for a tunnel. BVVP runs A31 (and its continuation towards Rovigo now under construction) and A4 between Brescia and Padova, so it's very plausible that it will raise tolls on all its network, since tolling tunnels and bridges is not common in Italy.
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Old June 20th, 2011, 08:58 PM   #2542
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€20 toll won't work for the simple reason that everybody would take the existing route via Verona to avoid it. Increasing the toll elsewhere on the BVVP network is the only way.

So road users would pay for an expensive mega-project that will not be used a lot and that does not generate any indirect structural benefits. Call me cynical, but who would benefit from the Valdastico Nord other than the construction sector and possibly BVVP?
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Old June 20th, 2011, 09:04 PM   #2543
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That why I'm wondering, why this project - everyone knows, that 15+ km long tunnel (longest double tube in EU) will have pretty high toll that can be easily avoided over existing A22 and A4 with no considerable time and fuel loss, hence almost all traffic will avoid A31.
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Old June 20th, 2011, 09:06 PM   #2544
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So road users would pay for an expensive mega-project that will not be used a lot and that does not generate any indirect structural benefits. Call me cynical, but who would benefit from the Valdastico Nord other than the construction sector and possibly BVVP?
You're not cynical, in my opinion A31 north, as it's designed now, is madness. The only logical way to complete it, in my opinion, is with a modest tunnel from Lastebasse to Centa san Nicolò, then arriving to Caldonazzo and connect with the already existent SS47, which is a superstrada, maybe upgrading to autostrada. It would be far cheaper, would serve well a densely-inhabited region (lower Valsugana), rather than boring thru the mountain for 15 wasted kilometers, serving no one on the way, and would help avoid Trento and its traffic, while the adopted solution connects to A22 south of Trento and therefore will not help decongesting the Rovereto-Trento section which is sometimes pretty congested.

Interestingly, my solution is not among the 6 proposed. Maybe I'm missing something...
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Old June 21st, 2011, 11:41 PM   #2545
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I have many photos for you

My trip: from Lignano Sabbiadoro to Trento via A28, A27, SS 47 della Valsugana (250 km in 3 hours):




This is a good (and cheaper) alternative to the classic route A4 - Verona - A22.
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Old June 21st, 2011, 11:42 PM   #2546
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Part 1: From Lignano to connection A4 X A28

1. Leaving Lignano - Beginning of SS 354


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3. This is not a real expressway, and it goes through some villages ....


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5. ... and has some traffic lights


6. Bilingual signs in Friuli (Italian and Friulian)


7. This is the new section that connects directly the SS 354 with the A4. The A4 exit of Latisana was shifted to east of about 1.5 km. In the map you can see the old and the new exit. map



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9. The new toll station of Latisana


10. Motorway A4


11. old exit "Latisana" on A4 (and my car wash - coin )


12. bridge over the Tagliamento


13. Exit to A28


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15. Toll Gate Portogruaro - A28. The silo on the left contains the salt for the winter?

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Old June 21st, 2011, 11:43 PM   #2547
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Part 2: A28

The A 28 has an open toll system: one barrier at each end. At each barrier is calculated a Virtual toll of (I think) 1.20 € . Travels within barriers are free.

1. Beginning of A28


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7.For too many years the motorway ended here.


8. This new section (opened: october 2010) isn't in Google Maps (but it was) .


9.Toll gate "Cordigliano"


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11. Intercange Conegliano - A27


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15. dangerous intersection with vehicles from Conegliano

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Old June 21st, 2011, 11:44 PM   #2548
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Part 3: A27

This is the most spectacular section of the A27

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4. rising curve with 3 lanes


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8. from here the transit is forbidden to the Trucks that transporting dangerous substances


9. The highway continues into the valley


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13. Speed limit: 130 km/h


14.Speed cameras station


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16: Toll gate Belluno


17: automatic pay


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the remaining photos (From Belluno to Trento) coming soon
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Old June 22nd, 2011, 03:52 AM   #2549
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Here's something odd, at the Cimpello interchange on the A28:

It looks like this used to be a standard interchange: on- and offramps on each side serving two roundabouts connecting to local roads. Then the Via Pontebbanna was built, a superstrada heading to the northeast, with priority access to the A28 and bridging over the eastern roundabout. Now, look at what this did to local access. WTF?
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Old June 22nd, 2011, 01:10 PM   #2550
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The goverment yesterday passed a law receding from the introduction of tolls on A3, GRA and other raccordi.

http://lacittadisalerno.gelocal.it/d...ticolo/4476792
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The goverment yesterday passed a law receding from the introduction of tolls on A3, GRA and other raccordi.

http://lacittadisalerno.gelocal.it/d...ticolo/4476792
I think the best way for the government is to get off the financial burden of ANAS is to put ANAS road under private administration. SS18 is ready to get some toll booths. SS407 is also.

A3 needs to be completed before they start charging tolls. Otherwise is quite outrageous.
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Old June 22nd, 2011, 05:54 PM   #2552
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the remaining photos (From Belluno to Trento) coming soon
Great pics! I'm waiting to see the next ones...

PS: do you happen to have any photo made here?
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Old June 22nd, 2011, 11:51 PM   #2553
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Thanks!
Unfortunately not .
I took only one photo in Feltre, by entering in the city
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Part 4: From Belluno to SS 47 della Valsugana

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2. Belluno: works of construction of new tunnel Col Cavalier (italian SSC-Tread)


3. SP1 Belluno - Feltre


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5. Sp1 are the slowest section of my trip, because it runs through some villages. However, a good road


6. Radar Box on SP1


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9.Dam on the Piave


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11. Feltre has a new (partially) bypass road (opened in June 2009), wich is part of the SS 50 DIR/VAR, not yet signed on Google maps (map24.com)


12. SS 50 DIR/VAR is a good fast road tath connect Feltre wit the SS47


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14. End of a tunnel long about 3 km. Interchange with SS 47 della Valsugana.
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Part 5 SS 47 della Valsugana

This is a "strada extraurbana secondaria" (speed limit: 90 km/h), 2+2, except 2 section 1+1.

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4. Beginning of the first 1+1 section (8 km long)


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6. Bypass of Borgo Valsugana


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9. Beginning of the second 1+1 section (11 km long)


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11. Beautiful scenery along the Lago di Caldonazzo


12. Last 2+2 section


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14. too short entry lanes


15. Tunnel "Crozi"


16. The new Tunnel "Martignano" (opened: 2007, Length: 2,9 km)


17: into the tunnel


18: Trento. tangenziale


19. Destination: A22


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21. The end
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Old June 23rd, 2011, 12:40 AM   #2556
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i don't see any photos which hosting service do you use=
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Old June 23rd, 2011, 12:45 AM   #2557
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I see all of them, they are quite good! (It seems to me that it is picasa)
I like that Italy has so many grade separated interchanges on main roads
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Old June 23rd, 2011, 09:48 AM   #2558
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i don't see any photos which hosting service do you use=
I use Picasa for these and for all the pictures I have so far published on SSC. Every photo has an “https” address. Maybe is for this reason tath you have problems.
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Good work, I like your reports very much.
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The photos are hosted on Picasa. Try refreshing the page if the pictures are not showing.
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