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Old June 23rd, 2011, 04:31 PM   #2561
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From Il Corriere della Sera:

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Less deaths and injuries on the roads, but Italy is behind the rest of Europe. From 2001 until today, mortality rate on Italian roads dropped by 43.7%, less than the 50% which was the goal. Italy is still above the European average (43%), but to reach the target more efforts are required. Countries who reached the target of 50% less fatalities in 10 years are Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Spain, Luxembourg, France, Slovenia and Sweden, while Portugal, with its 49.4% of reduction, is very near. Italy is in 13th place.

In 2010 in Italy car accidents with injured people were 207.000 and caused 3998 deaths and 296.000 injured. With respect to 2009, accidents dropped by 3.9%, injuries by 3.7% and deaths by 5.6% [..] "Even if the target was not reached," says Enrico Gelpi, chairman of ACI, "14.600 lives have been spared and 25 billion euros in social costs have been saved."
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Old June 23rd, 2011, 04:48 PM   #2562
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The goal of 50% less is not realistic in some cases. These reductions can easily be achieved in countries which used to have a bad traffic safety, but is impossible for countries which topped the chart of traffic safety for years, like Sweden, United Kingdom and the Netherlands.
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Old June 23rd, 2011, 04:54 PM   #2563
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I agree, but Sweden DID achieve the target.
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Old June 23rd, 2011, 08:03 PM   #2564
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I agree, but Sweden DID achieve the target.
Scandinavian countries have/had a disproportionate number of accidents on their vast rural countryside dominated by relatively poor roads. That offers an easy(ier) path to accident reduction.

Countries like Portugal, Estonia and Slovenia can reduce traffic accident rates faster by means of implementing basic urban safety measures, like better lit pedestrians crossings, pedestrian lights etc.

In any case, Italy has done a remarkable job since the mid-1990s, when its accident rate was 350% the current rate and its highways, the most dangerous in Western Europe.
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Old June 23rd, 2011, 11:41 PM   #2565
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For those who know some Italian, an interesting report in the official magazine of Variante di Valico, about the TBM that will be used in the boring of Sparvo Tunnel (2.5 km).
http://www.autostrade.it/pdf/opere/newsletter-24.pdf

This particular TBM, largest in the world, was assembled in Schwanau, Germany, transported via truck to Kehl, then via Rhein river to Rotterdam, Netherlands, via ship to Ravenna, Italy, and finally by truck to the Apennines.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 04:25 PM   #2566
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I agree, but Sweden DID achieve the target.
I wonder if this decrease is due just to Countries measures on road safety or largely on the increasing safety system on vehicles
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Old June 24th, 2011, 11:55 PM   #2567
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Good work, I like your reports very much.
Thank you!

About of A31 north: I'll prefer the Pedemontana Veneta (if and when it will open) to go from Trento to Venezia or Trieste: Trento --SS47--> Bassano --Pedemontana--> A27
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Old June 25th, 2011, 11:29 AM   #2568
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There is an interesting report on Repubblica.it about the A33 Asti-Cuneo:
http://inchieste.repubblica.it/it/re...effe-18166100/

In Italian unfortunately. It tells about the stupid "inverted Z" layout, the fact that it takes the same time going from Asti to Cuneo by national road or by autostrada (but by autostrada you have to pay 4 euro), the fact that an exit had to be moved 1.5 km away from the project to not disturb a group of bats (!) living nearby, the fact that construction is bell behind schedule and, basically for how it is conceived, this road will not do it job (in fact, it is always almost empty).

They call A33 "Northern Salerno-Reggio Calabria", or even "the joke autostrada".
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Old June 25th, 2011, 11:42 AM   #2569
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If you're coming from A6 / A33 from Asti, and you want to go to Cuneo, you can use SS231, it's 90 kilometers. If you use A6/A33 it's 105 kilometers.

Wouldn't it have been easier to build an interchange A6/SS231, and upgrade the road from Fossano to Cuneo? On the other hand, the southern section of A33 does make sense if you're coming from the Ligurian coast.
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Old June 25th, 2011, 11:56 AM   #2570
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There is an interesting report on Repubblica.it about the A33 Asti-Cuneo:
http://inchieste.repubblica.it/it/re...effe-18166100/

In Italian unfortunately. It tells about the stupid "inverted Z" layout, the fact that it takes the same time going from Asti to Cuneo by national road or by autostrada (but by autostrada you have to pay 4 euro), the fact that an exit had to be moved 1.5 km away from the project to not disturb a group of bats (!) living nearby, the fact that construction is bell behind schedule and, basically for how it is conceived, this road will not do it job (in fact, it is always almost empty).

They call A33 "Northern Salerno-Reggio Calabria", or even "the joke autostrada".
I just read the report. I agree, partially with the enumerated problems, and part with allegations that, once completed, it will be far more useful.

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Né forse la accelererà la Cuneo-Asti. Probabilmente entro l'anno verranno ultimati altri 17 chilometri (da Sant'Albano alla periferia di Cuneo), ma difficilmente saranno decisivi per migliorare l'efficienza della A33. Andrà meglio dal 2015 - sempre che i tempi siano rispettati e da questa parte non è mai accaduto finora - quando sarà completato il tratto tra Roddi d'Alba e la diga Enel.
The sector currently opened is not efficient at all because it requires drivers to move over a small provincial road to reach Cuneo. Once completed, it will provide an alternative to the local roads.

For drivers heading south to Savona and beyond, there will be a huge improvement on travel time.

As for the alignment, though, I agree it was badly selected. It should have crossed north of Frossano, avoiding a "gap" with the northeastern sector of A33 u/c (Asti-Alba-A6). Indeed, there should have been an Alba-Cuneo highway straight link. However, the towns of Saluzzo and Savigliano would have been "wronged" if A33 followed from Alba to Megliano. So they truncated, twice, A33 into A6.

In any case, they should extended that highway all the way to France, linking Cuneo and Gap. There is a national route there, it mostly follows a valley, and the Alpine cross is a low, easy one (at colle della Madeleine). At Gap, it would be a perfect extension for A51.
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Old June 25th, 2011, 12:14 PM   #2571
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The E74 follows a really weird route. They should renumber the section between E717 and E70 to A6/A21. And then extend the A33 into France. Anyways, the French E712 (A51) should be extended from Sisteron to Monestier-de-Clermont (Thus linking both A51 sections) and renumber the Sisteron-Gap and the possible extension to Italy to A58...

BTW, E74 doesn't follow this route. It goes through the Tenda pass into France, then goes down to Ventimiglia back in Italy, and then joins E80 and runs to Nice, France again, where it ends.
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Old June 26th, 2011, 11:12 AM   #2572
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In any case, they should extended that highway all the way to France, linking Cuneo and Gap. There is a national route there, it mostly follows a valley, and the Alpine cross is a low, easy one (at colle della Madeleine). At Gap, it would be a perfect extension for A51.
The original project included linking of Italy and France by the behemoth tunnel of Mercantour, between Vinadio and Isola. The tunnel was fiercely opposed when it was proposed, and now France had no interest in such a route, so no Cuneo-Nice in the foreseeable future.
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Old June 27th, 2011, 05:54 PM   #2573
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Tomorrow the first km of A12, between Rosignano and Vada, will open.
http://iltirreno.gelocal.it/piombino...renica-4503787

One down... 209 to go.
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So what will actually open? A direct link from A12 to SS1?
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Old June 27th, 2011, 06:06 PM   #2575
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So what will actually open? A direct link from A12 to SS1?
Yes, basically. I never drove there, and never saw any map of this completed work, so I'm not sure about what will change from now on.
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Old June 28th, 2011, 01:11 AM   #2576
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So what will actually open? A direct link from A12 to SS1?
Now at Rosignano you had to exit idiotically getting out of a barrier (on the side of the highway) with few lanes and endless lines in summer.

The new system (it's actually 4 km not 1) will basically align SS1 to A12 so A12will end up straight into a (large) barrier and than continue as SS1 instead of having to exit A12 and get into SS1 as before

Here maybe it's clearer: before construction situation

http://maps.google.it/maps?q=rosigna...dius=0.99&z=15
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The new system (it's actually 4 km not 1)
No, the 4 km is the whole lot and won't open until June 2012, and involves 3 km of SS1 upgrading. Today only 1km will open, connecting directly A12 and SS1.
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No, the 4 km is the whole lot and won't open until June 2012, and involves 3 km of SS1 upgrading. Today only 1km will open, connecting directly A12 and SS1.
I know, I was just saying this piece of construction is 4 km

I passed there and it basically means giving SS1 a emergency lane
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Old June 30th, 2011, 02:17 PM   #2579
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Today the Cassia Tunnel on the internal carriageway of GRA opens to public. With this opening, GRA now has three lanes for its entire length, in both carriageways.

http://www.romadailynews.it/2011/06/...leria-cassia/#
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