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Old August 10th, 2011, 09:41 AM   #2681
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I guess a small hilltown in Tuscany is so much noisier and chaotic than NYC or any large american city

You are really talking about stereotypes, probably based on some sopranos-style kind of television junk about italo-americans (which are not italians, but southern italians turned americans)
No, I'm talking about that roundabout in Turin at the end of the A4. I'm talking about fighting my way through traffic in Naples. I'm talking about that Lamborghini on my ass going down the A3 after Salerno. I'm talking about enjoying a meal and wine and conversation with Italians on a terrace in Florence. I'm talking about the wonderful architecture in principal city's and overlooking the skyline of Ancona from a ferry to Greece. I'm talking about that service area on the A1 between Rome and Naples, where I got robbed by some well dressed gentlemen. I'm talking about enjoying a Chinese meal with local friends in Milan, and getting a schnapps in a glass with a kamasutra image. I'm talking about the chaos at service area's, trying to find a spot to park and have a rest. I'm talking from my own experience, seeing that it's my job to be in Italy a lot.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 01:18 PM   #2682
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In the Italian section of the forum I just read about a project for a 1+1 toll road from Este to Legnago in Veneto.

I think administrators in Veneto must have gone fool.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 11:16 PM   #2683
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"Roadworks" and "men at work" are different ideas.
True. But I seem to recall that both Italian variants for use on the DRIPs ("Presenza Operai" and "Lavori in corso") are translated into English as "men at work". So that means that Italian speakers are warned about the difference in ideas between "just fences" and "people walking around", but non-Italian speakers are not.

That said, I have to admit that I never studied this point regarding Italian DRIPs in any detail
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Old August 10th, 2011, 11:26 PM   #2684
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Men at work is not bad translation. It is used in US also:




However, due to many complaints about this being sexist, the phrasing "men at work" has being replaced but "workers" or "workers ahead"

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Old August 10th, 2011, 11:31 PM   #2685
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Does it mean that men at work are slow? ;-)
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Old August 10th, 2011, 11:36 PM   #2686
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These guys are probably French. They always shake hands before they start work.
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Old August 11th, 2011, 12:03 AM   #2687
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hahaha thats shit funny shake hands
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Old August 11th, 2011, 02:20 AM   #2688
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In the Italian section of the forum I just read about a project for a 1+1 toll road from Este to Legnago in Veneto.

I think administrators in Veneto must have gone fool.
This story of a toll on a normal road is a bulls**t. They should build it as a real motorway (an then toll is OK) or as a normal road (and then must be free).
Here in Italy we don't have any non-motorway road tolled, except the tunnel under Mount Zovo between Schio and Valdagno and two local bridges over river Piave (one near San Donā di Piave next to A4 and the other at the mouth near Jesolo). I've read of another project caled "Pedemontana Veneta", a fast toll road (but not motorway) that will connect A4 near Vicenza with A27 near Treviso.
I hope in the future they won't decide to charge toll in many roads in Italy expecially in those that serve for local traffic.
However in other countries you have to pay for some bridges or tunnels like the Krk bridge in Croatia or the undersea tunnel to North Cape in Norway.
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Old August 11th, 2011, 07:43 AM   #2689
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What about the Mont Blanc tunnel.
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Old August 11th, 2011, 08:52 AM   #2690
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It is international. No tunnels of bridges entirely in Italy are tolled, only one tunnel near Lecco, if I remember correctly
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Some days ago a 10-meter-wide hole opened in a street near Naples, swallowing a whole truck:


Unfortunately the driver died, while two other people were injured.
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Old August 11th, 2011, 11:38 AM   #2692
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How the hell did that happen?
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Old August 11th, 2011, 11:39 AM   #2693
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I wouldn't say these things are common but that's not unheard of. Decades of bad planning, worse construction and and even worse maintenance did this.
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Old August 11th, 2011, 11:42 AM   #2694
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Here in Italy we don't have any non-motorway road tolled, except the tunnel under Mount Zovo between Schio and Valdagno and two local bridges over river Piave (one near San Donā di Piave next to A4 and the other at the mouth near Jesolo).
interesting, Telepass is accepted for that tunnel
about bridges over Piave - i drove over one of them. more precisely, over this one. we got lost a bit and navigation lead us on some weird ways, and finally (our point was Noventa) they asked us for half euro for that btw, on that one Telepass doesn't work it is more like some kind of private concessionaire, the woman in toll boot looked like she just came from kitchen

where is the other one tolled bridge over Piave?
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Old August 11th, 2011, 11:55 AM   #2695
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It could be a broken water pipe, carrying the soil underneath the roadway away. Eventually it will collapse if a heavy vehicle drives over it.
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interesting, Telepass is accepted for that tunnel
about bridges over Piave - i drove over one of them. more precisely, over this one. we got lost a bit and navigation lead us on some weird ways, and finally (our point was Noventa) they asked us for half euro for that btw, on that one Telepass doesn't work it is more like some kind of private concessionaire, the woman in toll boot looked like she just came from kitchen

where is the other one tolled bridge over Piave?
The last bridge before the Adriatic Sea.
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Old August 11th, 2011, 05:40 PM   #2697
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I wouldn't say these things are common but that's not unheard of. Decades of bad planning, worse construction and and even worse maintenance did this.
The subsoil of Naples area is characterized by numerous cavities.
Bad planning and/or worse construction does not involved in this case.
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Old August 11th, 2011, 05:47 PM   #2698
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The subsoil of Naples area is characterized by numerous cavities.
Bad planning and/or worse construction does not involved in this case.
Bologna also is placed over an area characterized by cavities, subterranean rivers and such, but I never heard of a hole this big.

If you plan to build a road in an area you know is full of empties, and you don't take care of it, imho is bad planning.
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http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoli_sotterranea

http://www.lanapolisotterranea.it/home_ing.htm
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http://www.scopribologna.it/bologna/...ml?__locale=it
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