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Old September 2nd, 2011, 08:47 PM   #2741
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RA17 Raccordo Villesse - Gorizia (upgrade to motorway standart)
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8. New toll plaza.
Is it going to be only at the same place as now or are there plans to charge already at Gorizia?
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Old September 2nd, 2011, 08:53 PM   #2742
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Is it going to be only at the same place as now or are there plans to charge already at Gorizia?
The new toll plaza is located before the current toll, I'm guessing that's done to not hold the functionality of the old one, later they will demolish it.
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Old September 2nd, 2011, 09:27 PM   #2743
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Is A4 from Milano to Bergamo the only 2x4 section in Italy?
No. A1 Bologna-Modena is 2x4 as well. A14 within Bologna (till San Lazaro) is a 2+2(3)+2(3)+2.
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Old September 2nd, 2011, 09:30 PM   #2744
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A8 is also 2x4.
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Old September 2nd, 2011, 09:34 PM   #2745
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The A4 (E64 until Brescia, then E70) should change number at the interchange with the Milan western bypass as it resets its kmposts. Same with A3 (E45) in Salerno.
It is no more the case. Now km counting start in Torino and end in Mestre. I suppose the km of the Mestre-Trieste part will be renumbered with the third lane.
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Old September 2nd, 2011, 09:44 PM   #2746
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Is A4 from Milano to Bergamo the only 2x4 section in Italy?
No, there is also the A1 Modena - Bologna and the A8 Milano - Lainate.
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Old September 2nd, 2011, 09:45 PM   #2747
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It is no more the case. Now km counting start in Torino and end in Mestre. I suppose the km of the Mestre-Trieste part will be renumbered with the third lane.
OK. I remember last year they had already changed the hectometer posts in Padua province, and I though they wanted to split the A4 into two different designations.
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Old September 2nd, 2011, 09:57 PM   #2748
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A14 within Bologna (till San Lazaro) is a 2+2(3)+2(3)+2.
Are you sure that's 2x4? AFAIK Bologna's tangenziale runs the same as Verona sud, along the motorway but divided.
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 12:03 AM   #2749
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Are you sure that's 2x4? AFAIK Bologna's tangenziale runs the same as Verona sud, along the motorway but divided.
Technically, it is 4x2, not 2x4.
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 12:45 AM   #2750
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Are you sure that's 2x4? AFAIK Bologna's tangenziale runs the same as Verona sud, along the motorway but divided.
Also Vicenza, Padova and Udine have their bypasses along the motorway (A4 for Padova and Vicenza and A23 for Udine). In this sections there are 2+3+3+2 lanes, but the external lanes aren't part of the motorway (they've blue signs).
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 02:44 AM   #2751
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interesting, Telepass is accepted for that tunnel
about bridges over Piave - i drove over one of them. more precisely, over this one. we got lost a bit and navigation lead us on some weird ways, and finally (our point was Noventa) they asked us for half euro for that btw, on that one Telepass doesn't work it is more like some kind of private concessionaire, the woman in toll boot looked like she just came from kitchen

where is the other one tolled bridge over Piave?
Hehe I had a look at this, the prices went up for the bridge at Noventa . The other one is really fantastic , south of San Donà di Piave, still costs 50c though only in summer Fri-Mon, here's the legislation of the municipality.
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 10:35 AM   #2752
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Hehe I had a look at this, the prices went up for the bridge at Noventa . The other one is really fantastic , south of San Donà di Piave, still costs 50c though only in summer Fri-Mon, here's the legislation of the municipality.
there is a toll bridge also somewhere in Ravenna
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 05:55 PM   #2753
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We continue our trip accross Northern Italy.
Reposting map of the route: http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q...95/a4saa23.jpg

Part 3: Brescia-Palmanova (A4/A23)

In case you've missed previous parts, then:
Part 1: Santhià-Milano: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=#post83423557
Part 2: Milano-Brescia: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=#post83432932

40. The next day we start somewhere between Brescia and Verona.


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42. Junction with A22 Brennero (Austria)-Modena motorway near Verona.


43. Passing Verona. Verona's tangenziale on the right.


44. Regional borders.


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46. A4 and Vicenza's tangenziale tunnels.


47. Awesome.


48. Between Vicenza and Padova.


49. Exit to Padova.


50. Čau, čau!


51. Junction with A13 Padova-Bologna motorway.


52. How did I managed to take a very clear shot of these famous trees?


53. Approaching junction with A57 (former A4).


54. The beginning of Mestre bypass.


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59. Preganziol exit.


60. Junction with A27.


61. Third lane merging.


62. A4 becomes 2x2 after Mestre bypass. Widening to three lanes is planned however.


63. Junction with A28.


64. Approaching junction with A23.


65. Lack of light make photos blurry.


66. To Slovenia!


Later it got darker and it was impossible for me to make clear shots, you can view further part to Trieste in Google street view. Anyway, thanks for watching!
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 07:37 PM   #2754
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The A4 (E64 until Brescia, then E70) should change number at the interchange with the Milan western bypass as it resets its kmposts. Same with A3 (E45) in Salerno.
They changed the kmposts along the A4 in 2010. The reset at the Milano Certosa interchange is no longer there. Besides, I disagree that km-posts should be leading for motorway numbering. There'd be an awful lot to renumber in Germany ...

On the same photo series, I like the distance signs as they are posted between Brescia and Padova. Those elsewhere on the A4 are a bit too full, in my opinion. But in any event much better than what you see on other Italian motorways, i.e. only small ones in the median (Autostrade per l'Italia network) or the next few exits (A32).
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 07:49 PM   #2755
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 09:23 PM   #2756
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there is a toll bridge also somewhere in Ravenna
Not anymore: http://www.ravennawebtv.it/w/?p=5779
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 10:04 PM   #2757
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thanks for the nice photos of A4! btw, what was your entire itinerary?

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you wrote this Italian greeting in Slovenian littoral dialect.

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Old September 3rd, 2011, 10:13 PM   #2758
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 10:22 PM   #2759
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44. Regional borders.
This is not a regional border, but the border between the provinces of Verona and Vicenza.

In your trip you crossed the borders between Piemonte and Lombardia (somewhere near Novara, in correspondance with the Ticino river, I guess), between Lombardia and Veneto (somewhere in the Garda Lake area) and between Veneto and Friuli Venezia Giulia.


The panel is similar... Like this (located on A1, between Emilia Romagna and Lombardia, in correspondance with the bridge over the Po river):
[img]http://oi56.************/2n1s5tf.jpg[/img]

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Old September 3rd, 2011, 10:23 PM   #2760
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thanks for the nice photos of A4!
Thanks.

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btw, what was your entire itinerary?
Map: http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Li...0,11,12,13&z=5

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you wrote this Italian greeting in Slovenian littoral dialect.
Actually I wrote hi/goodbye in Latvian.

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