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Old October 1st, 2011, 11:47 PM   #2781
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madness...and a symbol of what it means to build infrastructures in some parts of Italy
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Old October 2nd, 2011, 12:13 AM   #2782
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How are the works at Messina bridge going? When will they be completed?
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Old October 2nd, 2011, 12:15 AM   #2783
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"when will they start" is a more important question now
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Old October 2nd, 2011, 12:16 AM   #2784
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and never - i fear - is the answer

Without euro infrastructure financing (i always see rural highways in Spain and Portugal financed by europe, I wonder why such an important infrastructure cannot co-financed) and with the difficulties of both finding public and private financing for it the project is doomed

Of course Italy is a net contributor to Europe, before anyone starts complaining about wasting money in Sicily
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Old October 2nd, 2011, 01:21 AM   #2785
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How are the works at Messina bridge going? When will they be completed?
They say 2017 but off coure it would never happen. If real works will start in that year it would be already a good result (or bad, for the many Italians and even Sicilian who are against this expensive and risky project because those money could be used to upgrade road and rail infrastructures in Sicily and Calabria). But, thanks to Berlusconi's propaganda works officially already started in 2009!
And those new viaducts over houses in Messina really ruin the landscape. I would never expect such structures being built nowadays, like they did in Genoa in the 60s and in Rome in the 70s (now environmentalists and nimbies protest everywhere there are big projects). But the terrain around Messina is very mountanious and urbanized, so there aren't probably other chances. And also lines of cars and trucks on city street aren't the best thing for environment, health and urban life.
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Old October 2nd, 2011, 01:24 AM   #2786
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Is absolutely not a waste of public money, but an investment that will greatly improve the economy of the regions (Sicily and Calabria) and so the rest of the country.

The bridge is already funded by the State and the european funds will be used mostly to cover the costs of the TEN Corridor 1 Berlin-Palermo which the bridge is an integral part.

As for private funding, there is strong interest from 2 Chinese banks involved in the project (China Development Bank and another) as well as the European Investment Bank (Bei).
(Diego Della Valle, also - through the 'Generali'- said to interested in the bridge.

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2019
(the last burocratic steps remain)

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"when will they start" is a more important question now
you're right
(of course in 2012)
the propedeutic works go on.
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Old October 2nd, 2011, 02:47 AM   #2787
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And those new viaducts over houses in Messina really ruin the landscape. I would never expect such structures being built nowadays, like they did in Genoa in the 60s and in Rome in the 70s (now environmentalists and nimbies protest everywhere there are big projects). But the terrain around Messina is very mountanious and urbanized, so there aren't probably other chances. And also lines of cars and trucks on city street aren't the best thing for environment, health and urban life.
That area is not prime estate in Messina anyways. It is on the opposite side of the waterfront. There is simple no alternative, there is a tectonic fault crossing 1.900m from those viaducts, limiting options.
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Old October 2nd, 2011, 08:20 AM   #2788
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Thank you for your answers. I tought that the bridge was u/c
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Old October 2nd, 2011, 12:23 PM   #2789
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What is the highest altitude of the bridge piers in Messina?
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Old October 2nd, 2011, 12:35 PM   #2790
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According to wikipedia it should be 382.6 m (1,255 ft).
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Old October 2nd, 2011, 02:46 PM   #2791
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Thank you for your answers. I tought that the bridge was u/c
well ', we say that is already under construction, because the preparatory work going on
But the main works on the bridge will start next year.

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According to wikipedia it should be 382.6 m (1,255 ft).

The height of the towers has been updated in the final draft (delivered July 29th) and will be 399 meters.


the thread about the bridge:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=268204
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Old October 4th, 2011, 01:27 AM   #2792
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Old October 4th, 2011, 08:57 AM   #2793
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Any idea why this road is not simply called A18?
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Old October 4th, 2011, 11:52 AM   #2794
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Any idea why this road is not simply called A18?
Part of it is substandard.
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Part of it is substandard.
It's just bureocracy. It has 2 lanes for each directions and hard shoulders. It's not worse than most Sicilian green motorways.
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Old October 5th, 2011, 03:07 AM   #2796
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It's just bureocracy. It has 2 lanes for each directions and hard shoulders. It's not worse than most Sicilian green motorways.
But when the CAS (Consorzio Autostradale Siciliano) built some highways, it had been granted waivers by ANAS in regard of standards. ANAS doesn't give waiver of that extent like in the 1980s anymore.
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Old October 17th, 2011, 02:33 PM   #2797
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This motorway is one of the best I've ever been on:


map: http://g.co/maps/sj7yh
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Old October 17th, 2011, 03:23 PM   #2798
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I think so too These tunnels and beautiful alpine scenery are great
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Old October 17th, 2011, 09:22 PM   #2799
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This motorway is one of the best I've ever been on:


map: http://g.co/maps/sj7yh
Definitely a very nice drive. I lost count of all the tunnels.
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The same happened to me on the E80 between French border and La Spezia. There are so many tunnels...
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