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Old November 10th, 2011, 05:28 PM   #2821
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Pedemontana surely will be tolled. It will pass 400 m far away from my house

this is the view from my window. Where it finishes the wall in the background on the left (that's the cemetery) will be built the Pedemontana
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Old November 10th, 2011, 05:34 PM   #2822
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Pedemontana surely will be tolled. It will pass 400 m far away from my house
You're not the only one living close to a major road. I can see from my window Arad bypass (part of Romanian A1 motorway). It will be opened next Spring.
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Old November 10th, 2011, 05:37 PM   #2823
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Pedemontana surely will be tolled. It will pass 400 m far away from my house
What's so bad about that? 400 m is far enough to reduce noise to an absolute minimum, but you can get around much better.
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Old November 10th, 2011, 05:52 PM   #2824
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For at least 4 reasons:
1) My house is on sell, and this get low the value of the dwellings

2)It will be destroy a protected area passing through it

3) cause this is what they want to built, and this means only noise, traffic, pollution in a residential zone where is already too much busy during the rush hour. It will be built a railtrail too next to the highway. With a station for goods or something like that. It means only much more trucks






4) This is the view which actually I have to look in the direction where the Pedemontana will be built. To change this view with an highway on pylons is not so much good. I prefere to see mountains than noise barriers
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Old November 10th, 2011, 06:10 PM   #2825
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Is Pedemontana Lombarda already under construction?
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Old November 10th, 2011, 06:18 PM   #2826
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Yes, in Solbiate Olona is already started (and with it started already problems - people revolting cause working trucks passing through town in the night don't let people sleeping). Here, I heard it will start next year more or less
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Old November 10th, 2011, 06:22 PM   #2827
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They work during the night in Italy? I doubt that, since it unnecessarily increases cost, especially on greenfield construction with no traffic and/or time factor. 6 am maybe, but during the night? Anyway, in the Netherlands they also select contractors based on their plan, who creates the least obstruction and noise during the works.
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Old November 10th, 2011, 06:24 PM   #2828
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Here where I live will be built an autogrill/rest area too, one which serves both directions. It should be the one drew in the map up to the write "svincolo di Bellusco"
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Old November 10th, 2011, 06:28 PM   #2829
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They work during the night in Italy? I doubt that, since it unnecessarily increases cost, especially on greenfield construction with no traffic and/or time factor. 6 am maybe, but during the night? Anyway, in the Netherlands they also select contractors based on their plan, who creates the least obstruction and noise during the works.
If you can read italian, this was on the newspaper

Due paesi in rivolta: 400 camion ogni notte

I residenti di alcune vie, interessate dal passaggio notturno dei mezzi pesanti, protestano da giorni: “Non riusciamo a dormire”. Pedemontana corre ai ripari con un percorso alternativo nella brughiera .

Tra Solbiate e Fagnano Olona la notte non si contano più le pecore prima di addormentarsi ma i camion. Sono diventati i mezzi pesanti di Pedemontana i veri protagonisti delle notti di chi abita nelle vie Patrioti e 4 Novembre a Solbiate Olona e via Marco Polo a Fagnano. Tutta colpa dei lavori per la costruzione della Pedemontana che, in questo momento, si sta misurando con il primo grande impatto con i residenti. Da una settimana, con una interruzione nelle notti tra sabato e domenica e tra domenica e lunedì, il viavai notturno è continuo e, per decine di famiglie, insopportabile. «Non si dorme più la notte» – dicono i residenti, a causa dei lavori di scavo del tratto in trincea che poi si immetterà nella galleria che sbucherà nel viadotto della Valle Olona. Più di una le discussioni notturne tra residenti in pigiama e camionisti che, in un caso, si è trasformata in una vera e propria protesta con tanto di macchina di traverso per bloccare il passaggio dei camion: insulti, urla, forse qualche spintone e poi l’intervento delle forze dell’ordine per calmare gli animi esasperati.

La protesta dei residenti, che chiedono semplicemente di realizzare un percorso alternativo che sfrutti la brughiera e la zona industriale, si è già trasformata in una petizione a Solbiate Olona dove il gommista Antonio Macchi invita i cittadini a passare in officina per firmare contro il passaggio dei mezzi pesanti di Pedemontana sulla viabilità ordinaria: «Non siamo contro Pedemontana – ci tiene a precisare – chiediamo solo rispetto per chi qui ci vive da generazioni. Anche noi lavoriamo». Il sindaco di Solbiate Olona Luigi Melis ha già indetto organizzato un incontro con i residenti per domani, martedì alle 18 in Comune per spiegare qual è la situazione attuale e cosa farà Pedemontana per ovviare ai disagi.

In realtà la società si sta muovendo. Il primo passo è quello di venire incontro alle famiglie residenti in via Marco Polo, un complesso di case stretto tra la zona industriale e il cantiere di Pedemontana: qui un camion cisterna bagna la via dal mattino alla sera, per evitare che il continuo passaggio dei camion che portano via la terra verso il cantiere di Cassano Magnago alzi polveroni eccessivi. I residenti, infatti, da giorni non possono nemmeno aprire le tapparelle. Nel frattempo in via dei Ronchi, strada che collega Fagnano a Solbiate, le ruspe sono già al lavoro per creare una strada alternativa per i camion che, in questo modo, non passeranno più per la viabilità ordinaria di Solbiate Olona. La strada, però, non sarà pronta prima di fine mese e per i prossimi giorni i disagi saranno attutiti solo in parte in quanto la società ha deciso di diminuire il numero dei passaggi, anche 400 in una notte, fino a quando non sarà pronta la strada alternativa.

Yes here they work in the night too. In the Netherlands, which is a civil country, maybe they plan about problems before to built something. In Italy, before they build and then they think about problems
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Old November 10th, 2011, 08:54 PM   #2830
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Every citizen must cope with some inconvenience for the betterment of the country Once the highway is completed, your house will be valued much more, because probably they will allow more construction and the land value of the place will go up.
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Old November 10th, 2011, 09:09 PM   #2831
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It depends.... cause the "force" my hood is made of row-houses and villas, almost no flats and a very tranquil zone not so much far from Milan. There aren't neither traffic lights in my district.... if they start to build such things, I don't think the land value of the place will go up. Infact, citizens he don't want the Pedemontana, just the major and all other who take advantage from it want the highway. In other towns near here it will be underground and maybe for them will be better, but for us will increase only the traffic
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Old November 10th, 2011, 09:39 PM   #2832
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Old November 10th, 2011, 09:43 PM   #2833
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It's funny (at least for me) the end of the video where it says that thanks to it will be less traffic. Sure, you just move a part of the traffic where before there wasn't.... it's not that with the Pedemontana it disappears...........
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Will Pedemontana Lombarda, Tangenziale Est Esterna di Milano, Raccordo Ospitaletto - Montichiari and BE-BRE-MI be Axx motorways with green signs and 130kph?
@Satyricon: snow in Milan already in early November?
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It's an old pic. The official name of Pedemontana is Autostrada Pedemontana Lombarda, so I think it will be Axx motorways with green signs
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Will Pedemontana Lombarda, Tangenziale Est Esterna di Milano, Raccordo Ospitaletto - Montichiari and BE-BRE-MI be Axx motorways with green signs and 130kph?
@Satyricon: snow in Milan already in early November?
Don't know about TEM, but the others will surely be green-sign motorways. Possibly large parts of Pedemontana lombarda will not be 130 due to curves and environment, so I heard.
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Every citizen must cope with some inconvenience for the betterment of the country Once the highway is completed, your house will be valued much more, because probably they will allow more construction and the land value of the place will go up.
I don't think so, the house will be valued less because it will be close to a source of noise and pollution.

I mean, if I have to buy a house, surely I won't buy one near a motorway...
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I certainly want to buy a house with a view to a mortoway someday, put strong noise insulation in walls and windows, and install a webcam
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Old November 11th, 2011, 04:40 PM   #2839
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Old November 11th, 2011, 04:51 PM   #2840
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You're better off 400 m from a motorway than along any significant urban arterial.

Actually most pollution and noise is on urban arterials because you can't put noise barriers and the street canyon effect traps emissions much more than along motorways. There is not one single location on the Dutch motorway network where PM10 concentration norms are exceeded, but numerous ones on urban roads, especially those carrying heavy bus, moped and truck traffic, even though traffic volumes and driving speeds are only a fraction of those on motorways.

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