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Old November 13th, 2011, 12:48 AM   #2921
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Comparison between existent and projected
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Old November 13th, 2011, 03:27 PM   #2922
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I do agree, but the same comparison could be made between urbanized surfaces!
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Old November 13th, 2011, 06:03 PM   #2923
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I understand that it will be a SS-road. Will it be grade-separated, 2 lanes per direction + hard shoulder?
It will be a SR-road

It is a regional road
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Old November 14th, 2011, 12:11 AM   #2924
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Right. Expropriations pays 2 cents and thousands of euro wasted for it. And we are again on this topic. I know it's difficult to understand for somebody not involved (or maybe yes, have you got some bribes in this project? ), it's not you which will lose proprieties, investiments and activities. For you it's just a good occasion to take pics to post in the forum........
The public interest is more important than the PERSONAL interest.
If you don't want to cope with it you are free to expatriate...
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I'm not speaking of that, I'm speaking of the people bypassing Agrate Brianza toolgate on Tangenziale Est direction south. The SP121 from Agrate towards Carugate is busy, not the other way round. Hard to understand?
I know, but I'm telling you that's a trick people can't do everywhere, but only in particular and RARE conditions.

As for sp121. That road is busy, that's true. But if there weren't the A4 or the Eastern Bypass it would be way busier!
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I'm still waiting for your scientific analysis. For the moment I just heard a lot of bla bla bla...
The one screaming to the whole world that Pedemontana is a useless infrastructure it's you. So let's demonstrate it...
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When did I say I'm against the railway? I said that I'm against the station for stocking goods which will be just outside the exit of Bellusco, cause it will just increas the truck traffic of the area. There's a huge difference but...non c'č peggior sordo di chi non vuol sentire
You want the railway, but you don't want the loading/unloading station... So, for what purpose do you want the railway? Just to have empty trains circulating, because there are no stations? Or maybe you just want the station to be built somewhere else? Tipycal NIMBY (Not In My BackYard).


The purpose of the station is to put trucks/freights on trains instead of on keeping them on roads. The most trucks go on trains the least trucks you have on roads... It's very easy.

The station must be built somewhere... And it is better to build it NEAR the exit of an highway, in order not to force all the trucks to drive for several kilometres on local roads.

The most trucks will use that station, the least trucks will circulate across the whole territory. But maybe you just want to see less trucks on roads, thanks to a loading/unloading station built near somebody else's home. "Not In My BackYard".
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Old November 14th, 2011, 12:40 AM   #2925
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I don't feel like to waste my time to reply to a PITBY, I consider closed the argument. Just one thing

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The one screaming to the whole world that Pedemontana is a useless infrastructure it's you. So let's demonstrate it...
There are committees in every town interested by the road (first is nopedemontana), majors, WWF, Legambiente and many others against who want it: the Region, who has to built, who gets bribes and other PITBYs as you. Only me? Poor illuded....
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Old November 14th, 2011, 01:11 AM   #2926
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There are at least 30 million people in Northern Italy (10 million just in Lombardy) who don't even consider endorsing a committee or a subscription or whatever else AGAINST the Pedemontana.

A handful of nimbys is not the proof of the "uselessness" of an infrastructure.
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Old November 14th, 2011, 01:50 PM   #2927
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Oh, sorry. Why don't they connect SS36 directly with the eastern bypass (I mean with this interchange)?
Actually there is the connection interchanging with A52 which 'goes on' eastern bypass just in the interchange you posted

Here the interchange of A52 and SS36

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http://maps.google.it/maps?hl=it&ll=...i=transit_comp
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Old November 14th, 2011, 08:10 PM   #2928
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I know, but I meant a straight route.
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Old November 14th, 2011, 09:13 PM   #2929
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It will be a SR-road

It is a regional road
Isn't this going to be an A-numbered autostrada tolled with 2 and 3 lane sections in each direction plus emergency lane throughout?
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Old November 14th, 2011, 11:09 PM   #2930
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I know, but I meant a straight route.
Too complicated (and too expensive), for an itinerary whichis already served. Way better to focus on priorities...


There are already two ways to go from ss36 (in this picture "sp5") and Eastern Bypass.

First (red line): from ss36 just drive into the Northern Bypass and follow it straight for some kms;
Second (green line): from ss36 drive into A4 and follow the first exit you find, which redirects you to the Northern Bypass and then to the Eastern Bypass.
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Old November 15th, 2011, 12:46 AM   #2931
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Will they also make a proper interchange between SS36 and A52? As far as I can see, now you can't go from SS36 to A52 westbound.
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Old November 15th, 2011, 01:13 AM   #2932
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I forgot to upload the image I prepared to show how to reach the Eastern Bypass from ss36... Here you are:

First (red line): from ss36 just drive into the Northern Bypass and follow it straight for some kms;
Second (green line): from ss36 drive into A4 and follow the first exit you find, which redirects you to the Northern Bypass and then to the Eastern Bypass.

[img]http://oi39.************/2ito7dt.jpg[/img]






As for going Westbound from ss36 to A52 (Northern Bypass) it's not possible, unless you do this:

[img]http://oi41.************/2j69648.jpg[/img]

But at the moment the interchange between A52 (Eastbound) and ss36 (Northbound) is closed, because of works related to the under-construction tunnel.
Few time ago there was an alternative route, which consisted in entering the EASTBOUND A52, and going straight for about 700 metres, where there was an interchange with the only purpose of making people U-turn and take the WESTBOUND A52.

But now that area has changed a lot (online maps and satellite photos haven't been updated yet) and I don't remember if is it still possible.

Obviously there are several alternative routes, but by now going from southbound ss36 to westbound A52 is a bit of a mess...
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Old November 15th, 2011, 01:37 AM   #2933
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As for going Westbound from ss36 to A52 (Northern Bypass) it's not possible, unless you do this:
Yes, I figured it out later.
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Old November 15th, 2011, 10:45 AM   #2934
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Isn't this going to be an A-numbered autostrada tolled with 2 and 3 lane sections in each direction plus emergency lane throughout?
No, it will be superstrada.
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Old November 15th, 2011, 12:29 PM   #2935
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Old November 15th, 2011, 02:37 PM   #2936
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Old November 15th, 2011, 07:52 PM   #2937
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Me too in several interchanges...

At the interchange I posted, there were always queues on the ramp coming from A52 (Westbound) and directed towards ss36 (Northbound), because of a traffic light on the ss36, few metres after the interchange.

Many times I used to do a similar thing to avoid the queue (but not the traffic light, which was impossible to avoid):
-drive on A52 (Westbound);
-exit A52 and entering ss36 (sp5) Southbound;
-exit ss36 (sp5) and entering A52 (EASTbound);
-exit A52 and entering ss36 (sp5) NORTHbound.

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Old November 15th, 2011, 09:09 PM   #2938
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Old November 16th, 2011, 05:34 PM   #2939
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A3

Pics of the demolition of the old junction of Lauria Nord and the new one u/c

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Foto di qualche giorno fa dello svincolo di Lauria Nord
Finalmente stanno demolendo quel pugno nell'occhio "a forma" di colosseo (chiamato "cavallo" nella zona) e parte delle nuove rampe di svincolo sono a buon punto.




















































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Old November 16th, 2011, 09:54 PM   #2940
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the pictures of A3 are always astonishing...incredible work, I cannot imagine how much money went into this enormous work

Certainly if we would have made a real "autostrada" in the 70' now we would not be spending 15 billion € in remaking it
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