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Old November 30th, 2011, 02:57 PM   #2961
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Yes it seems so! But you are surprised about it? Me not at all. Waste disposal and construction industry are two sectors which are completely rotten in Italy.....
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Old November 30th, 2011, 06:38 PM   #2962
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I wonder if BreBeMi is really needed. Isn't the A4 enough? Ok, it makes a little curve to Bergamo, but still. If it's too narrow, just widen it.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 06:46 PM   #2963
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I wonder if BreBeMi is really needed. Isn't the A4 enough? Ok, it makes a little curve to Bergamo, but still. If it's too narrow, just widen it.
It is already a 2x4 Bergamo Milano.

Moreover, the utility of the BreMeMi is not long-distance traffic, but regional connections to/from Milano.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 06:50 PM   #2964
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Is there a lot of traffic on roads east of Milan (I don't mean A4)? I hope they aren't building it just because of Brescia.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 07:17 PM   #2965
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A4 Brescia -Milan insists on two very congested pieces of motorway: the urban A4 and the East Tangenziale. Part of Brebemi's purpose is to shift some of this enormous traffic to the TEM (External East Tangenziale), which is also to be built.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 07:39 PM   #2966
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A4 Brescia -Milan insists on two very congested pieces of motorway: the urban A4 and the East Tangenziale.
The A4 urban sector in northern Milano is arguably the 2nd or 3rd most difficult to widen urban highway in Italy.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 09:58 PM   #2967
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Part of Brebemi's purpose is to shift some of this enormous traffic to the TEM (External East Tangenziale), which is also to be built.
Yes, I've noticed these plans. But are they going to extend Brebemi between this new "TEM" and the existing eastern Milano bypass (A51)? Otherwise Brebemi doesn't have much purpose IMO (I've seen a map without this extension, but I could be wrong).
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Old November 30th, 2011, 09:58 PM   #2968
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Ok, it makes a little curve to Bergamo, but still. If it's too narrow, just widen it.
2×4 and often congested. :-)
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Old November 30th, 2011, 10:02 PM   #2969
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Yes, I've noticed these plans. But are they going to extend BreBeMi between this new "TEM" and the existing eastern Milano bypass (A51)? Otherwise BreBeMi doesn't have much purpose IMO (I've seen a map without this extension, but I could be wrong).


It is not its main purpose but the connection between TEM and A51 will be granted by SP14 Rivoltana and SP103 Cassanse, after their upgrade.
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Old November 30th, 2011, 10:04 PM   #2970
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2×4 and often congested. :-)
I know, I've driven there a few times. But Bergamo-Brescia is 2×3. Anyway, if even 2×4 isn't enough, they can widen it further, but apparently that's not the point of the new motorway. (or is Brebemi going to be a superstrada?)
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Old November 30th, 2011, 10:18 PM   #2971
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@g.spinoza: I see, thanks for the map. Btw, does Brescia really need that huge bypass?
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Old November 30th, 2011, 10:18 PM   #2972
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No no, full autostrada specs for BreBeMi

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@g.spinoza: I see, thanks for the map. Btw, does Brescia really need that huge bypass?
Brescia most certainly won't. She has already two tangenziali, one of them is already 2x3, something that bigger cities have not (Bologna, twice the size of Brescia, only has 2x2 tangenziale).

Maybe the towns in the hinterland, but I'm not sure. I'm living here only for 2 months and I don't know well the surrounding area.

BTW, eastern part of Brescia bypass is going to open in few weeks.

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Old November 30th, 2011, 10:50 PM   #2973
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Ah, now I remember where I saw no connection between Brebemi and A51:


http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pe...a_lombarda.svg

I guess the map focused on Pedemontana and forgot about SP 14 and SP 103.
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Old December 1st, 2011, 10:17 AM   #2974
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Bologna, twice the size of Brescia, only has 2x2 tangenziale
Isn't it 4×2? I remember it had four tracks, 2 lanes each.
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Old December 1st, 2011, 10:40 AM   #2975
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Isn't it 4×2? I remember it had four tracks, 2 lanes each.
Tangenziale proper is 2x2. Between the two carriageways of tangenziale, the autostrada runs, and it is 2x2 (2x3 with dynamic third lane). Despite the fact that they run parallel, they are very different: tangenziale has 11 exits, autostrada only 3, and you can't go from one to the other, except at the beginning of the section.

In any case, since I used this example to compare to Brescia, tangenziale Sud of Brescia also run parallel to the autostrada, but in this case they both are 2x3.
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Old December 1st, 2011, 03:50 PM   #2976
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A3 - Demolition of the old interchange of Lauria nord:

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Old December 2nd, 2011, 12:07 AM   #2977
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Tangenziale proper is 2x2.(...)
OK, I see, thank you.
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Old December 2nd, 2011, 12:08 AM   #2978
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Chi č l'appaltatore su questo progetto?
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Old December 2nd, 2011, 10:15 AM   #2979
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Demolition dave, this is an international thread and all posts should be written in English

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Old December 2nd, 2011, 11:54 AM   #2980
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Okay, Who is the contractor on the project?
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