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Old September 21st, 2007, 12:30 PM   #281
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Erm,... it might be kind of a specific question, but can anyone tell me why S.G.C. FI-PI-LI is marked differently on maps and has lower speed limits than raccolto FI-SI?
Raccordo FI-SI

I'm a suspicious guy: FI-PI-LI expressway is a good alternative run respect the A11 (Firenze mare) and with no toll
Then I think FI-SI is owned by Autostrade spa

To hide on maps FI-PI-LI and not FI-SI (marked almost like a highway) I think is a trick to 'help' Autostrade spa to earn money

No clue for the difference in speed limits
Maybe they got different wide of their lanes



A more 'correct' map

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Old September 21st, 2007, 01:21 PM   #282
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Well, it probably has lower speed limits because officially only "green" Autostrade have 130 km/h. The "blue" Autostrade have no more than 110 km/h. When I say "green" or "blue" I am referring to the color of signs on the respective motorway. The green ones are usually tolled, but that's not a strict rule. And FI-PI-LI shows up as a dual-carriageway w/ motorway characteristics on viamichelin.

Also, it's a pretty neat trick from Autostrade s.p.a. to hide free alternatives on maps! That's why it's always best to buy a Michelin map or check their website, http://www.viamichelin.com
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Old September 21st, 2007, 02:03 PM   #283
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But also Florence (Firenze) - Siena is a blue autostrada (110 km/h).

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Old September 21st, 2007, 03:31 PM   #284
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Also, it's a pretty neat trick from Autostrade s.p.a. to hide free alternatives on maps! That's why it's always best to buy a Michelin map or check their website, http://www.viamichelin.com
That was exactly what I said in the first pages of the thread: michelin are way better to have a more accurate view on Italian highways and freeways

Unfortunately even Michel 'hides' some important freeways: obviously it bases its maps of Italy on TCI (Touring Club Italiano) maps and can't have the same accuracy it gives to France

About speed limits: FI-SI and FI-PI-LI are both freeways (blue)
When you said difference of speed limits I thought one has 110 km/h and the other 90 km/h, 'cause they're the standards for freeways (the first is the 'true' standard but even 90 is often used),... sincerely I really don't know what are the speed limits on these two roads
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Old September 21st, 2007, 04:24 PM   #285
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But also Florence (Firenze) - Siena is a blue autostrada (110 km/h).
I mean "superstrada".
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Old September 21st, 2007, 05:11 PM   #286
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Some pics of Catania-Siracusa motorway u/c

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Old October 1st, 2007, 11:29 AM   #287
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Within this month they got to open the forth lane on A4 even on the other direction (Bergamo-Milano)
And infact today they open Bergamo-Milano direction

4 lanes in the whole stretch (and recently they told about a project to enlarge A4 from bergamo to brescia at 4 lanes too)
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Old October 1st, 2007, 12:04 PM   #288
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vogliamo le immagine!!!!!
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Old October 1st, 2007, 12:25 PM   #289
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I want to see pics too, but I can't find'em
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Old October 1st, 2007, 01:12 PM   #290
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btw, now they can start building the 5th lane there, it's welcome there indeed
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Old October 1st, 2007, 03:21 PM   #291
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Just a question.

How are the works in the "highway" Salerno-Regio Calabria?

I made one year ago that trip at night and, damned, it´s the most caotic, dangerous road i´ve ever been.

I hope that the things are better for the sake of the locals.

By the way, Napoli fantastica.
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Old October 1st, 2007, 03:31 PM   #292
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From today they begin to work on the last stretch, but the works will last till 2012!
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Old October 1st, 2007, 04:02 PM   #293
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You can see blue SOS-niche signs at some photos. On autostradas they are green.

When talking about SOS-niches on Italian autostradas: Even when they have emergency lanes in full length, wide and spacious SOS-niches are still present about every two kilometers and their distance is frequently and clearly signed on emergency lanes. I find that as very nice safety feature, not very common on European motorways.

That is not enough. In Spain all freeways and highways have emergency lanes. And state roads have emergency lanes 1,5 or 2,5 meters wide.
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You can see blue SOS-niche signs at some photos. On autostradas they are green.

When talking about SOS-niches on Italian autostradas: Even when they have emergency lanes in full length, wide and spacious SOS-niches are still present about every two kilometers and their distance is frequently and clearly signed on emergency lanes. I find that as very nice safety feature, not very common on European motorways.
That is not enough. In Spain all freeways and highways have emergency lanes. And state roads have emergency lanes 1,5 or 2,5 meters wide.
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And infact today they open Bergamo-Milano direction

4 lanes in the whole stretch (and recently they told about a project to enlarge A4 from bergamo to brescia at 4 lanes too)
This stretch is now fabulous! So many new viaducts and overpasses have been built!! Ö I still remember "Cordioli & co."! Although they could've also fixed the old pavement, this whole combination looks kinda unsmooth, and sometimes the highway isn't that straight, does it have to be that way?
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Although they could've also fixed the old pavement, this whole combination looks kinda unsmooth, and sometimes the highway isn't that straight, does it have to be that way?
you sound like Radi
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Old October 1st, 2007, 06:50 PM   #297
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Strada Grande Comunicazione Firenze - Pisa - Livorno (S.G.C. Fi-Pi-Li)

The second worse freeway than I have seen (The first is Firenze - Siena)









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Old October 1st, 2007, 07:57 PM   #298
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I definitely wouldn't want to break down on that road.

In Sacramento, there is a 3-km stretch of a 2x3 expressway without any emergency lane which always caused enormous slow downs. Add to that the fact that in America passenger cars are not required to carry the warning triangle (hell, some drivers don't even know about hazard blinkers), and it becomes a disaster waiting to happen
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Old October 1st, 2007, 08:36 PM   #299
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I'd barely call that a motorway-grade road. Not only the emergency lanes are missing, but the lanes are way too narrow, and there is no small em lane on the left (don't know how that's called in English, in Dutch it's "redresseer strook")
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OMG, you're right! Long sentence adds to it, eh?
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