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Old December 9th, 2011, 03:31 PM   #3061
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Unfortunately Italy is not the Netherlands. The avarage salary in the Netherlands is higher than here and about taxes the percentage is more or less the same so in the end of the month there's more money in dutch pockets.
Well, not entirely. You said you paid € 220 in car tax per year. An average Dutch petrol car owner pays € 500 per year, and an average diesel car owner as much as € 1400 per year.

€ 1400 road tax per year is similar to 1000 liters of fuel tax or 15 000 kilometers driven on Italian toll roads.
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Old December 9th, 2011, 03:42 PM   #3062
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This is the lowest road in Italy: Le Contane, municipality of Jolanda di Savoia, province of Ferrara, region Emilia Romagna. Altitude: -3,5 meters. The village is home of 68 people and there is also a restaurant.

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Old December 9th, 2011, 03:49 PM   #3063
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Well, not entirely. You said you paid € 220 in car tax per year. An average Dutch petrol car owner pays € 500 per year, and an average diesel car owner as much as € 1400 per year.

€ 1400 road tax per year is similar to 1000 liters of fuel tax or 15 000 kilometers driven on Italian toll roads.
But I meant in general, not taxes about cars only. Should be a why if in the Netherlands there are many italians working and living while dutch in Italy are mainly tourists for holiday ;-). To be honest, I didn't understand well in which way you pay such amount, if with excises when you do refill, or is a tax you pay in bank like in italy. What about insurances? A basic insurance which cover the car just in case of accident (no kasko, no theft), for a normal car it costs around 800/1000€ for year, depends where you live....
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Old December 9th, 2011, 04:01 PM   #3064
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Insurances in the Netherlands are known as too cheap, a liability-only insurance is usually not much more than € 500 per year. All-risk, however, is often more than € 1000 per year.

Too cheap insurances however, are a risk of the insurer, not the tax payer.
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Old December 9th, 2011, 04:08 PM   #3065
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Insurances in the Netherlands are known as too cheap, a liability-only insurance is usually not much more than € 500 per year. All-risk, however, is often more than € 1000 per year.

Too cheap insurances however, are a risk of the insurer, not the tax payer.
Otherwayround insurances here are too high. A new driver of 18 years old which wants to have a own insurance, could even pay for a normal sedan up to 7000 € for year
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Old December 9th, 2011, 06:45 PM   #3066
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There was a scandal 2-3 years ago: some Italian municipalities used counterfeit traffic lights were the yellow lasted only 1-2 seconds and they put cameras to catch people passing with red lights. But even people who crossed the intersection with green light could be fined because when they reached the end of the intersection it was already red! It emarged that part of the money earned with fines were given as bribe from those municipalities to the company that made counterfeit traffic lights.
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Right! The street code says that approaching a traffic light turning into yellow color, you have to stop only if there are security conditions to stop the vehicle without creating an accident. Too many times there aren't distance security between two cars and slow down suddenly could be dangerous, but the camera spots you passing with red, not that you couldn't avoid it because you were followed by a too close car. And you get an expansive fine (how much is it? should be 150 € and 6 points - 12 if newdriver) for the blame of somebody else which didn't respect the law.... a friend of mine got a fine just cause at the traffic light, the car overtook the stop line of around 30 cm... naturally he went to the polizia municipale to complain, saying "look at the pics, you see that the wheels are stopped!" and the answer was "it doesn't matter"... In some municipalities like Segrate and many other, which isn't properly small, the T-red cameras and autovelox were altered just for to get fines... for that story some people were arrested (http://affaritaliani.libero.it/milan...ed_270410.html)

EDIT: Italystf has been faster to write about that story!
I knew of all this facts. But I was referring to "legal traps": municipalities that put cameras on roads with silly speed limits (or with the speed-limit constantly changing in a couple of metres), or traffic lights with a very short (but legal) timing for the yellow light.

A thing I really hate are the traffic lights with a radar installed which makes the light turn red if you're going faster than the speed limit. It's a nonsense: if I'm going fast, I must be fined for speeding, not for passing a red traffic light.
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Old December 9th, 2011, 07:11 PM   #3067
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A thing I really hate are the traffic lights with a radar installed which makes the light turn red if you're going faster than the speed limit. It's a nonsense: if I'm going fast, I must be fined for speeding, not for passing a red traffic light.
Before to enter in Bernareggio some years ago ware installed this type of traffic light along the SP 3 coming from Vimercate and along the SP 177 coming from Carnate. After few days, I don't know why (but I heard there was something illegal in these traffic lights...) they have been turned off. Now they are blinking on the yellow light since some years. Just a waste of public money.........
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Old December 9th, 2011, 07:20 PM   #3068
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I still see plenty of them around. All of them still working!
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Old December 9th, 2011, 11:35 PM   #3069
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This is the lowest road in Italy: Le Contane, municipality of Jolanda di Savoia, province of Ferrara, region Emilia Romagna. Altitude: -3,5 meters.
I didn't know that. They have elevation extremes listed in the CIA World Factbook (usually correct), but it says 0 metres for Italy, so apparently they are wrong.
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Old December 10th, 2011, 12:27 AM   #3070
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Old December 11th, 2011, 05:31 PM   #3071
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Otherwayround insurances here are too high. A new driver of 18 years old which wants to have a own insurance, could even pay for a normal sedan up to 7000 € for year
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Old December 11th, 2011, 05:41 PM   #3072
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Old December 12th, 2011, 02:44 PM   #3073
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Seems a bit over the top even knowing that freshly ensured young drivers are sometimes ripped off...
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Old December 12th, 2011, 05:31 PM   #3074
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Depends from the city... in Neaples and surrounding cities a fresh driver which ensure for hisself the car (without to take the class of one of the parents) can reach easily that amount. I live near Monza, I'm 27 y.o. and I'm in the top class (got from my mother), I have never done accidents and I pay 1.100€ yearly for a normal RC auto insurance...
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Old December 13th, 2011, 06:02 PM   #3075
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Seems a bit over the top even knowing that freshly ensured young drivers are sometimes ripped off...
It's higher, because new drivers have no previous history, when they get insurance for the first time. Once they have that and maintain a CLEAN driving record, they will become eligible for discounts.
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Old December 13th, 2011, 06:58 PM   #3076
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It's higher, because new drivers have no previous history, when they get insurance for the first time. Once they have that and maintain a CLEAN driving record, they will become eligible for discounts.
Jesus, what a scam. We benefit of a large company discount but pay 300 RC (liability) on a B class old wreck and 1100 full kasko on a 4 years old crossover. It was 2500 on year one... And it paid back!
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Old December 19th, 2011, 02:09 PM   #3077
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Today 21 km of new three-lane enlargement were opened on A14, between Fano and Senigallia. The northbound carriageway was already opened with three lanes in August, now also the southbound carriageway has been enlarged, 17 months ahead of schedule.
Tomorrow 10 km of new three-lane enlargmente will open (both directions) bewteen Pesaro and Cattolica, 11 months ahead of schedule.
In January works for the enlargment will start between Ancona Nord and Ancona Sud, a very difficult section due to hilly environment.

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I didn't know that. They have elevation extremes listed in the CIA World Factbook (usually correct), but it says 0 metres for Italy, so apparently they are wrong.
They were also wrong in the opposite statement:
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highest point: Mont Blanc (Monte Bianco) de Courmayeur 4,748 m (a secondary peak of Mont Blanc)
Italian highest point is Monte Bianco itself, 4810m, not a secondary peak, the border being just on the summit. Only the French people believe that Bianco's summit is entirely theirs.

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Old December 25th, 2011, 01:41 PM   #3078
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Due to strong winds a gantry sign collapsed into North carriageway of A1 in Southern Italy, near Santa Maria Capua Vetere. Fortunately no one was passing by so no one has been hurt. Two of the three lanes are now closed.

http://napoli.repubblica.it/cronaca/...9/?ref=HREC1-6
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Old December 25th, 2011, 09:53 PM   #3079
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Stick your hands up if you are in the favour of a 7.5t overtaking ban between Turin and Piacenza.
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Old December 30th, 2011, 10:55 AM   #3080
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Amici e dove e questa autostrada?

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