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Old December 30th, 2011, 11:11 AM   #3081
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Isn`t it A23??
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Old December 30th, 2011, 03:16 PM   #3082
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A2 Gotthard motorway near Faido in Switzerland. I have posted some photos of this part somewhere in the Swiss thread.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 01:01 PM   #3083
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Is there any summary of latest toll price increases? I noticed that between Trieste and Oulx (last toll station before Frejus) total toll price increased to over 50€.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 01:18 PM   #3084
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Autostrade per l'Italia +3,51%

Raccordo Autostradale Valle d’Aosta +14%

Società Autostrade Valdostane +11,75%

Autovie Venete +12,93%

A3 Napoli-Salerno +0,31%

A22 Modena-Brennero +1,22%

A6 Torino-Savona +1,47%

Milano Serravalle Spa 1,85%

CAV -1,18%

CAS and A33 0%
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Old January 5th, 2012, 03:12 PM   #3085
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An illegal toxic landfill was discovered under a construction site of A31 south Vicenza, after a man claimed his dog died after drinking water from a stream near the U\C motorway.
That 54km long motorway should be completed by the end of 2013; the first section should open this May.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 11:19 PM   #3086
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Hmmm. Same construction company as the BreBeMi? Has construction been suspended yet?
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Old January 5th, 2012, 11:48 PM   #3087
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Hmmm. Same construction company as the BreBeMi? Has construction been suspended yet?
Among others, Locatelli Group was working in that lot, and it is also involved in BreBeMi.

As far as I know no judicial attachment has been decided yet, but judges are investigating.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 11:46 PM   #3088
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First 17km of Corda molle, the new external tangenziale of Brescia, will open next 20th January. It should have been opened last 21st December, but some problems with equipment and wiring postponed the opening.

It seems it will be officially called "A21 racc." (junction): user santo2914 on the Italian forum saw the markings on overpass signs.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 09:24 AM   #3089
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It will be a good day when Italy will start using numbers instead of dir/racc/tang/GRA/etc.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 10:15 AM   #3090
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You`re right GRA is A90, but I don`t remember if I saw this number on the signs.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 10:37 AM   #3091
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It will be a good day when Italy will start using numbers instead of dir/racc/tang/GRA/etc.
It's better to have a proper road with a stupid name than a stupid road with a proper name...

... even if in this case it could even be a stupid road with a stupid name...
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Old January 10th, 2012, 11:55 AM   #3092
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Many road in Italy have unlogical numbers: if you drive from Monfalcone to Trieste sea port (around 30km without turning) you will have in order: A4, RA13, NSA344, SS202. I think it would be better call the whole route A4 (except maybe the last section of SS202 that is very substandard, but RA13 and NSA344 are full motorway standard).

Another strange situation is the motorway along the Jonian coast in Sicily: from Messina to Rosolini is named, in order: A18, RA15 (Tangenziale CT on road signs), NSA339 (Autostrada SR-CT on road signs), SS114 (blue signs but full motorway standards) and then again A18! A18 all the way would be better.

Another problem is the lack of a numbering system for expressways (superstrade). They are classificated like 1+1 national roads (SSxyz), like Raccordi Autostradali (RAxy) or without number at all (FI-PI-LI). They should use a separate classification, like S1, S2, S3,... (S=superstrada).
Many national roads keep their temporary numbers (NSAxyz) for years. Many recently classificated national roads (the SS7xy series) were built years ago. Why doesn't chose the number when a road opens?
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Old January 10th, 2012, 11:59 AM   #3093
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Autostrade per l'Italia +3,51%

Raccordo Autostradale Valle d’Aosta +14%

Società Autostrade Valdostane +11,75%

Autovie Venete +12,93%

A3 Napoli-Salerno +0,31%

A22 Modena-Brennero +1,22%

A6 Torino-Savona +1,47%

Milano Serravalle Spa 1,85%

CAV -1,18%

CAS and A33 0%
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raccordo autostradale della Valle d’Aosta (14,17%),
Autovie venete (12,93%)
Società autostrade Valdostane (11,75%),
Tronco A21 (Satap) (9,7%),
Autocamionale della Cisa (8,17%),
Strada dei Parchi (8,06%),
Brescia – Padova (7,45%),
Novara Est – Milano (Satap) (6,8%),
Autostrada Torino – Ivrea (6,66%),
Torino – Novara Est (Satap) (6,32%),
Società Autostrade Ligure Toscana (5,68%),
Autostrade Centro Padane (5,62%),
Barriere di Avigliana (Sitaf) (5,62%),
Autostrade dei Fiori (5,22%),
Barriera di Salbertrand (Sitaf) (5,12%),
Società autostrada Tirrenica (4,82%),
Barriera di Bruere (Sitaf) (4,15%),
Autostrade per l’Italia (3,51%),
Tangenziale di Napoli (3,49%),
Milano – Serravalle (1,85%),
Torino – Savona (1,47%),
Autostrade del Brennero (1,22%)
Autostrade Meridionali (0,31%).
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Old January 10th, 2012, 12:03 PM   #3094
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Any reason for these toll hikes? Some of them are way more than inflation.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 12:23 PM   #3095
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Any reason for these toll hikes? Some of them are way more than inflation.
What's the reason for any toll-tax-price rise? Get more money.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 12:29 PM   #3096
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What's the reason for any toll-tax-price rise? Get more money.
They should do everywhere in Italy and more often what they recently did in Cortina and Portofino: force to pay taxes who doesn't pay it, not increasing existing fees for everybody.

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raccordo autostradale della Valle d’Aosta (14,17%),
Autovie venete (12,93%)
Società autostrade Valdostane (11,75%),
Tronco A21 (Satap) (9,7%),
Autocamionale della Cisa (8,17%),
Strada dei Parchi (8,06%),
Brescia – Padova (7,45%),
Novara Est – Milano (Satap) (6,8%),
Autostrada Torino – Ivrea (6,66%),
Torino – Novara Est (Satap) (6,32%),
Società Autostrade Ligure Toscana (5,68%),
Autostrade Centro Padane (5,62%),
Barriere di Avigliana (Sitaf) (5,62%),
Autostrade dei Fiori (5,22%),
Barriera di Salbertrand (Sitaf) (5,12%),
Società autostrada Tirrenica (4,82%),
Barriera di Bruere (Sitaf) (4,15%),
Autostrade per l’Italia (3,51%),
Tangenziale di Napoli (3,49%),
Milano – Serravalle (1,85%),
Torino – Savona (1,47%),
Autostrade del Brennero (1,22%)
Autostrade Meridionali (0,31%).
I remember in 2005 Trieste - Latisana was €2,50, now it's €3,10. Well, they recently completed the A28 and the A4\SR354 interchange towards Lignano, they are widening the RA17, they will widen A4 to 3x2, but increasing toll so much means putting more traffic on national roads.

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Old January 10th, 2012, 12:32 PM   #3097
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Any reason for these toll hikes? Some of them are way more than inflation.
Concern to Autostrade Per l'Italia (3,51%):
[+1,47%]: inflation
[+1,99%]: investments realized
[+ 0,05%]: future investments

TOT: + 3,51%

In any case, i remember the toll amount could be increased only for this reason:
- adjustment for inflation rate
- investments realized

I' don't know if this law is applicable only for Autostrade per l'Italia.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 12:33 PM   #3098
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They should do everywhere in Italy and more often what they recently did in Cortina and Portofino: force to pay taxes who doesn't pay it, not increasing existing fees for everybody.
I agree, but remember that Autostrade per l'Italia and other operators are private subjects, toll increases are only due to greed, the State has nothing to do with it.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 12:37 PM   #3099
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I agree, but remember that Autostrade per l'Italia and other operators are private subjects, toll increases are only due to greed, the State has nothing to do with it.
I know. I was referring mostly to fuel increase. And there should be a national law about tolls (max €0,0x per km)
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Old January 10th, 2012, 12:42 PM   #3100
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I agree, but remember that Autostrade per l'Italia and other operators are private subjects, toll increases are only due to greed, the State has nothing to do with it.
Autostrade per l'Italia is "subjected" to ANAS ..and ANAS is "subjected" to Ministero dei Trasporti.

Here the reason and the calculation for the toll increase (in italian language):

http://www.autostrade.it/faq.html#3
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