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Old January 22nd, 2012, 11:35 AM   #3161
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Just arrived after skiing and wondering again two things about rest areas on Italy motorway network.
1st: why there is almost always gas station AFTER snack bar or restaurant
2nd: why there are almost never toilet seats and covers in toilets, even new or renovated rest areas?
About gas station after bar: don't know, it may be a standard design for our rest areas.
About toilets: they simply don't want to spend money and they know that seats and covers wouldn't last for long because of *******s using them without care and breaking it. Another annoying habit on Italian rest area toilets are people begging with the excuse of covering cleaning costs. But this is plain illegal.
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Old January 22nd, 2012, 11:44 AM   #3162
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Just arrived after skiing and wondering again two things about rest areas on Italy motorway network.
1st: why there is almost always gas station AFTER snack bar or restaurant
Why should this be an issue? More, I think it's better this way, because if you have to use the restroom with some urgency, you don't have to go past the pumps to the toilet and then reverse to the station.
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Old January 22nd, 2012, 07:14 PM   #3163
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Another annoying habit on Italian rest area toilets are people begging with the excuse of covering cleaning costs. But this is plain illegal.
I didn't know that. Good to know, thanks.
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Old January 29th, 2012, 07:54 PM   #3164
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It looks like there's an official and final date for "Corda molle" (Brescia external tangenziale, officially "A21 racc") opening: Friday February 3rd, 11am

http://www.mauroparolini.it/italian/...naugura-venerd
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Old January 31st, 2012, 11:03 PM   #3165
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Here are some pics I took last September on Autostrada A23 from the Austrian border to Tolmezzo exit (map)

Just after the border there were some roadworks:





Winter tyres mandatory during the cold season...



Some more roadworks ahead:







This motorway has a lot of beautiful tunnels...



First exit in Italy (no toll applies between the border and this exit):







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Old January 31st, 2012, 11:07 PM   #3166
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Toll station (no payment done, this is just for receiving a ticket):





Beautiful scenery:











Multiple layers of mountains:



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Autogrill rest area. At the return trip I stopped here.



My exit





I published some time ago the road video, but I'll post it again:

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Old January 31st, 2012, 11:18 PM   #3167
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At the return trip unfortunately it rained





Autogrill in 2000 m:



Pictures from the rest area:







Inside there were some Polizia officers. One of them had quite a big gun for a road patrol policeman

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Old January 31st, 2012, 11:20 PM   #3168
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Back on A23:







Toll station before the Austrian border:





Austrian in 1 km:



The border crossing. Last Italian signs:



First Austrian signs:

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Old January 31st, 2012, 11:24 PM   #3169
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great pictures and video
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Old February 1st, 2012, 12:52 AM   #3170
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2 in 1 - ticket and payment

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Old February 1st, 2012, 04:19 AM   #3171
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very nice bogdymol.

not exactly the route for LJ license plates here.

one question about A23: why the tunnels until Tolmezzo exit (direction Austria) are 3-lanes, after the exit they are 2-lanes wide? I also noticed some very wide viaducts as well on that section. Was maybe a widening later planned ?
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Old February 1st, 2012, 09:06 AM   #3172
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one question about A23: why the tunnels until Tolmezzo exit (direction Austria) are 3-lanes, after the exit they are 2-lanes wide? I also noticed some very wide viaducts as well on that section. Was maybe a widening later planned ?
I didn't drive south of Tolmezzo exit so I don't know how is A23 there. The section I drove on was clearly built for 2x2 + hard shoulders (except in tunnels where it's just 2x2).
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Old February 1st, 2012, 11:29 AM   #3173
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very nice bogdymol.
one question about A23: why the tunnels until Tolmezzo exit (direction Austria) are 3-lanes, after the exit they are 2-lanes wide? I also noticed some very wide viaducts as well on that section. Was maybe a widening later planned ?
There is no plan to upgrade A23 to 3x2.
I can't understand why they still built tunnels without hard shoulders in the 80s. The same for A27 completed in 1995. Not very safe IMO.
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Wow, what sense of nostalgy! Only 6 months ago!

@Bodgymol: Did you take a road trip to our Alps? Were did you went exactly?
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Old February 1st, 2012, 11:55 AM   #3174
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@Bodgymol: Did you take a road trip to our Alps? Were did you went exactly?
Call me crazy, but I did this just to drive on A23 . I knew it was a beautiful motorway with excelent scenery and I don't regret doing this roadtrip.

I just had a quick stop at this commercial center and after that I went back to Villach area.
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Old February 1st, 2012, 12:01 PM   #3175
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Call me crazy, but I did this just to drive on A23 . I knew it was a beautiful motorway with excelent scenery and I don't regret doing this roadtrip.

I just had a quick stop at this commercial center and after that I went back to Villach area.
You should at least went to Udine. Nice city centre and a big shopping mall (Città Fiera) just outside.
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Old February 1st, 2012, 12:52 PM   #3176
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There is no plan to upgrade A23 to 3x2.
I can't understand why they still built tunnels without hard shoulders in the 80s. The same for A27 completed in 1995. Not very safe IMO.
In other countries they built tunnels mosty without hard shoulder. You should be happy that Italian government decided to built such wide tunnels. You should be happy to have 130 km/h speed limit in tunnels (I never seen a proof of auto clubs, that this would be bad), no other country does have that. You should be happy to have frequent SOS nichés beside hard shoulders on almost all motorways, no other country does have that .

As I understand from some promotion material, Variante di Valico of A1 won't have hard shoulders in tunnels despite they are built everywhere on autostrada network.

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not exactly the route for LJ license plates here.
Of course it is. It is the fastest way to come into west Julian Alps and into Friulian Dolomites.

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Tutor system is active on this motorway:
This is a sign for standard Autovelox point (standard stationary radar). Tutor system is active after Padova on A4, if I'm correct
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Old February 1st, 2012, 01:00 PM   #3177
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As I understand from some promotion material, Variante di Valico of A1 won't have hard shoulders in tunnels despite they are built everywhere on autostrada network.
Afaik they should be 2+2+wider emergency, ready (in future) to be treated as third dynamic lane.

EDIT: they say this here:
http://www.edizionipei.it/upload/art...f/pdf_3658.pdf

3 lanes, each one 3.75m wide, one to be used as emergency lane.
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Old February 1st, 2012, 01:03 PM   #3178
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Tutor system is active after Padova on A4, if I'm correct
Also on VE-TS, A23 and A28 since around a year ago.
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Old February 1st, 2012, 02:30 PM   #3179
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The (in)famous Sopraelevata in Genova.

It's a unique piece of infrastructure, and an eyesore at the same time, but its views are unmatched by any other urban expressway in Europe.

The video is in 3D, but you can turn that off and view it single screen.

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Old February 1st, 2012, 02:51 PM   #3180
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Absolutely stunning!

The Sopraelevata is a fundamental traffic artery in the city. With the financial crisis, it is not going to be substituted for a tunnel anytime soon.

They shoulb build more like those in other Mediterranean cities. Marseille, Nice, Gibraltar/La Linea and Faro look good places to have such structures.
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