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Old February 22nd, 2012, 08:35 PM   #3301
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Unfortunately it does not work that way with Südtirol. We basically surrendered to them in the early '70, because of the bombing and the killing they made, and now they can do whatever they want, even canceling Italian toponyms (which often are older than the German ones), even blocking projects of national interests.
They are not protesting against the new Brenner railway: build it instead of the A27. Curiously, it's mainly the Italian speaking locals who protest against that railway.

(beside the fact that neither the Austrians want a new motorway and that an A27 without prosecution after the border is quite useless)
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 08:41 PM   #3302
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It would put pressure on the Austrians to allow a highway on their side.
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 08:45 PM   #3303
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The Austrians could fill their roads towards Lienz with speed bumps and 30 km/h limit instead, making the A27 corridor useless for through traffic.

And you can't reach Nord Tirol without tunnelling across the border.
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 11:45 PM   #3304
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Even if we wanted to build our part of Alemagna it would be useless for quite a long time because there simply is no money available for that.
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 11:48 PM   #3305
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 11:52 PM   #3306
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Of course, but i know many people from a north/western neighbour state whou would not be in favor of this.... - just kidding.
In fact it is totally irrealistic that this connection will ever be built.
I'd even say they would rather build an expressway over Fernpass and that is as likely as frozen hell.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 01:35 AM   #3307
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Allemagna motorway was alternative to the Brenner motorway AFAIK. so now it's not usefull in its entire lenght (->Munich), but joining Brunico valley and then Brenner motorway would be apropriate I guess.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 10:01 AM   #3308
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Allemagna motorway was alternative to the Brenner motorway AFAIK. so now it's not usefull in its entire lenght (->Munich), but joining Brunico valley and then Brenner motorway would be apropriate I guess.
And would be more usefull than the connection to A23.....
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 11:12 AM   #3309
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The Austrians could fill their roads towards Lienz with speed bumps and 30 km/h limit instead, making the A27 corridor useless for through traffic.
It would be their problem. They will be suffocated by cars and pollution.

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And you can't reach Nord Tirol without tunnelling across the border.
That's sadly true.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 11:41 AM   #3310
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Could anyone here provide a clue about the amount of motorway tolls a tourist would have to pay from the Swiss border to Rome?
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 11:50 AM   #3311
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€ 41,80 - about 6,5 cents per km.

http://www.autostrade.it/
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 11:50 AM   #3312
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You can do it yourself at www.autostrade.it/en

On the right you enter departure "pontechiasso" and arrival "roma nord".

For the record it's 41.8€.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 11:55 AM   #3313
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Ah OK thanks, I expected worse ...
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 02:56 PM   #3314
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It is not small amount either, especially considering very expensive fuel prices.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 02:58 PM   #3315
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It is not small amount either, especially considering very expensive fuel prices.
And that you have to come back too....
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 03:36 PM   #3316
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Ah OK thanks, I expected worse ...
If you're not particularly in a hurry, you can go to Rome via Genoa, Livorno, SS1 Aurelia. Aurelia is for a large part a decent free expressway, you can save some money.

EDIT: Just made the calculation, you would spend €38.30. Probably it's not worth it.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 03:56 PM   #3317
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There has been an accident involving a TIR on the ramp between GRA and A1 north: the truck is hanging in the balance from the overpass to the GRA underneath. GRA has been closed in that section:
http://roma.repubblica.it/cronaca/20...RCT-30374183-4
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 04:03 PM   #3318
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We had that location a while ago in this discussion

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Is GRA the motorway shown in the banner of ANAS home page?


They recently made many updates on Rome's ringroad and areal images of Rome date back to 2007, so I cannot find the place. My first guess was SS16 near Bari but it isn't. I don't think there are other 3x2 highways managed by ANAS, apart A3 (new sections) but the landscape is mountanious.
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This road has 10 lanes, 2+3+3+2, you can see the left 2-lane roadway just underneath the overpass. It's the A90-A1 Dir North interchange.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 04:23 PM   #3319
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If you're not particularly in a hurry, you can go to Rome via Genoa, Livorno, SS1 Aurelia. Aurelia is for a large part a decent free expressway, you can save some money.
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An easier way to save money is this: at Bologna, instead going to Firenze, go onto A14 and take SS3 bis to Cesena, rejoining A1 at Orte.

It is a fun ride, highway status (almost all way along) only increasing 18km to your trip.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 04:32 PM   #3320
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An easier way to save money is this: at Bologna, instead going to Firenze, go onto A14 and take SS3 bis to Cesena, rejoining A1 at Orte.

It is a fun ride, highway status (almost all way along) only increasing 18km to your trip.
I don't think it's a good idea... in those regions a lot of snow has fallen in the last weeks, and some sections of SS3 bis could be closed or difficult to drive on.
Besides, there are many roadworks on SS3 bis from Cesena to Perugia, and for many sections there is only one lane opened.
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