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Old April 25th, 2012, 04:08 PM   #3521
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You can see old vs new in Google Earth:

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Old April 25th, 2012, 05:04 PM   #3522
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How long this new interchange was constructed at all ? I remember last year, the old section of A3 was demolished.
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Old April 26th, 2012, 10:05 PM   #3523
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Existing and planned motorways (incl. upgrades).



Map by barracudabat, from the Italian forum.
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Old April 26th, 2012, 10:34 PM   #3524
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That map is inconsistent. It considers some expressways as motorways (autostrada) and others not.
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Old April 27th, 2012, 02:40 AM   #3525
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It's still a very useful map though.
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Old April 27th, 2012, 09:42 AM   #3526
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Looking at the Italian forum thread, it seems that the map was not intended to distinguish between autostrade and superstrade, but rather between existing and future. But among the red routes (the future ones), I still see a few routes that are actual. Notably the E45 Ravenna - Orte (probably red in light of the upgrade plans), the Northern part of the Ionica, the superstrada Siena - Bettolle and the FiPiLi. Sardegna also has a number of superstrade not even indicated on the map.

Finally, one should note that a number of "future" roads are unlikely to be constructed in the next two decades or so. Lauria - Colle di Gioia is at a very preliminary stage, extension of the A33 towards the French border is in my opinion completely unlikely to ever occur, as is an extension of the A22 to Lucca.
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Old April 27th, 2012, 11:28 AM   #3527
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What's the point of extending A27 few kms north of Belluno if they would never connect it to Austria?
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Old April 27th, 2012, 12:53 PM   #3528
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Probably to alleviate congestions on existing SS51 until intersection with SS51bis.
Last year I was there and it is pretty congested on weekends, after that intersection toward Cortina it's much better despite many towns between.
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Old April 27th, 2012, 06:04 PM   #3529
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Looking at the Italian forum thread, it seems that the map was not intended to distinguish between autostrade and superstrade, but rather between existing and future. But among the red routes (the future ones), I still see a few routes that are actual. Notably the E45 Ravenna - Orte (probably red in light of the upgrade plans), the Northern part of the Ionica, the superstrada Siena - Bettolle and the FiPiLi. Sardegna also has a number of superstrade not even indicated on the map.

Finally, one should note that a number of "future" roads are unlikely to be constructed in the next two decades or so. Lauria - Colle di Gioia is at a very preliminary stage, extension of the A33 towards the French border is in my opinion completely unlikely to ever occur, as is an extension of the A22 to Lucca.
As well as San Remo - Predosa!
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Old April 27th, 2012, 06:14 PM   #3530
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old April 29th, 2012, 07:52 PM   #3531
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Stelvio Pass Toll? How much ?
It will be introduced starting from 1st January 2013 and it will probably cost 8 euro, only from Südtirol side.

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It's the expressway we talked about recently?
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As well as San Remo - Predosa!
Albenga-Predosa is still in project, but in a much more advanced stage than Modena-Lucca, for instance.
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Old May 2nd, 2012, 03:58 AM   #3532
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Old May 3rd, 2012, 09:24 AM   #3533
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According to Toto Constructions, who's digging Ripoli tunnel on Variante di Valico, the tunnel itself and the motorway beside it will be rendered unusable in few years due to the infamous Ripoli landslide.

http://bologna.repubblica.it/cronaca...sole-34364963/
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This is around here I presume? Even current autostrada has a deviation, apparently built after A1 opening.

Interesting that they decided to build tunnel into such landslide if they've had apparent problems before. Slovenian H4 was built on similar landslide and alignment was partly relocated already during first construction works (less tunnels, more retaining walls and more viaducts were built instead but construction was still very costly and long).
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Old May 3rd, 2012, 12:54 PM   #3535
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This is around here I presume? Even current autostrada has a deviation, apparently built after A1 opening.
More or less, just a tad north between Ripoli and S.Maria Maddalena.

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Interesting that they decided to build tunnel into such landslide if they've had apparent problems before. Slovenian H4 was built on similar landslide and alignment was partly relocated already during first construction works (less tunnels, more retaining walls and more viaducts were built instead but construction was still very costly and long).
Italian mysteries... they knew the landslide was there but it was classified as "quiescent". Maybe they thought they could dig without having it activated... apparently they were wrong.
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Old May 3rd, 2012, 01:02 PM   #3536
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Some pictures of the laying of Pedemontana Lombarda's overpass over A8:

(EDIT: You can also see a video here)


http://milano.corriere.it/milano/gal...257a20.shtml#1






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CIPE (Inter-ministerial committee for economic planning) approved the preliminary project for Via del Mare, a tolled superstrada that will link A4 and Jesolo, in Veneto. The superstrada will be 18.8 km long and pass through the municipalities of Roncade, Meolo, Musile di Piave, San Donà di Piave and Jesolo. Budget is 200 million euros.

http://www.veneziatoday.it/cronaca/o...da-jesolo.html

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Old May 3rd, 2012, 08:31 PM   #3538
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200 million euros.
Thrown away
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Old May 4th, 2012, 03:59 PM   #3539
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A51 Tangenziale est southbound in Vimercate saw from the SP45 junction
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Old May 6th, 2012, 04:38 PM   #3540
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Video summary of the work on the A3 Salerno-Reggio Calabria
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