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Old May 7th, 2012, 07:05 PM   #3541
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I quote myself from the Italian thread, with some pictures of A14 enlargement works:

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Galleria Scacciano:


Tre corsie tra Cattolica e Pesaro:


Galleria Del Boncio:


Galleria Case Bruciate:


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Tre corsie Fano-Senigallia.
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Old May 7th, 2012, 08:12 PM   #3542
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There is no end to these roadworks. A few months ago on my way to Ancona I got so annoyed by the length and slightly breaking the speed limit, that I decided to put my foot down and go like hell...

Yeah yeah I know, naughty naughty...
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Old May 7th, 2012, 08:37 PM   #3543
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There is no end to these roadworks. A few months ago on my way to Ancona I got so annoyed by the length and slightly breaking the speed limit, that I decided to put my foot down and go like hell...

Yeah yeah I know, naughty naughty...
Quote you on everything, roadworks are marked with 80 km/h limit but it's almost impossible going slower than 100. I can't say I "went like hell" but sometimes I pushed the pedal too...

A14 works are lenghty but fortunately there is end: in some stretches they're almost 1 year ahead with respect to the schedule...
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Old May 7th, 2012, 11:40 PM   #3544
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There is no end to these roadworks. A few months ago on my way to Ancona I got so annoyed by the length and slightly breaking the speed limit, that I decided to put my foot down and go like hell...

Yeah yeah I know, naughty naughty...
no end in terms of how long they are (it's about 100 km, but many pieces are already open) or because they have been going on for long? because the latter is not true, they are actually doing everything surprisingly fast for italy
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Old May 7th, 2012, 11:45 PM   #3545
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no end in terms of how long they are (it's about 100 km, but many pieces are already open) or because they have been going on for long? because the latter is not true, they are actually doing everything surprisingly fast for italy
Yes, I was talking about the length...
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Old May 8th, 2012, 01:57 AM   #3546
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Yes, I was talking about the length...
Rereading your post it's quite ovious, sorry

Anyway we are already passed the worst period. Now with some km open between Cattolica and Pesaro and between Fano and Senigallia it's actually much better...

It was badly needed, funny how it did not look so when they started 3-4 years ago (in the sourthermost section south of Ancona)
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Old May 8th, 2012, 04:02 AM   #3547
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Yes, I was talking about the length...
You should have tried A3 between Cosenza and Villa San Giovanni like in 2008.

3 sectors of 30km+ single-lane traffic with speed limits always 60km/h or sometimes 40km/h.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 11:12 AM   #3548
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Actually, what is the progress of the most difficult section of A3 between Palmi and Villa San Giovanni? it's already 6 or even more years in construction.
(even I made a construction report in 2009)
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Old May 9th, 2012, 10:43 PM   #3549
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The marbles' road (strada dei marmi) bypassing Carrara has been opened. It is 5,6 km long (of which 4,5 km in tunnel) and links the quarries with the SS1. It can be used only by trucks (vehicles above 7,5 t) except after 17.20 in the afternoon and on weekends. The road is already visible in OpenStreetMap.

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Old May 11th, 2012, 02:03 AM   #3550
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Last weekend I drove a lot through the work-in-progress stretch of A14 (Milano-Fano, Fano-Rimini Sud, Rimini Sud-Fano, Fano-Ancona Nord, Ancona Sud-Milano).

BOOOOOORING! It's impossible to respect the speed limit...
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Old May 11th, 2012, 06:23 PM   #3551
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"Corda molle" flops

A21 racc., better known as "Corda molle", the external tangenziale of Brescia is deemed "a flop" by the environmental association Legambiente.

"Built for 80 thousand vehicles/day, it actually carries only 4400."

Legambiente also stresses the land use, the costs, and the "crazy tolls":
"Entering A21 at Cremona and exiting at Brescia Centro one pays 2.50€; if you exit at Brescia Sud, 6 km before Brescia Centro, you pay 2.80€"

http://brescia.corriere.it/brescia/n...84878849.shtml
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Old May 11th, 2012, 06:28 PM   #3552
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It takes up to 2 years for a new route to consolidate. But it is definitively carrying lower-than-expected traffic.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 06:33 PM   #3553
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I doubt if it was actually "built for 80.000". You don't construct 4-lane highways for an expected volume of 80.000 vehicles, that would be pretty congested.

I read they monitored the month of February. Convenient for them to burn the new road down, because February is the second least-traffic intensive month of the year. Still, 4.400 vehicles is not much, but I think the investment of € 14 million/km would be justified if volumes reach 18.000 -20.000 vpd.

Anyway, I think they're way too early with their conclusion. You don't judge a new road based on the volumes within one month of opening, it's not on maps, people are set in their old routes and virtually no GPS has it. It takes at least 1.5 - 2 years for the new route to be known and mapped, especially because this is an entirely new alignment, and not one you automatically use from one of the other routes nearby.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 06:36 PM   #3554
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Not to mention that the road is only half built and its major purpose (drain BreBeMi) is not in place since BreBeMi is in construction.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 06:56 PM   #3555
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Not to mention that the road is only half built and its major purpose (drain BreBeMi) is not in place since BreBeMi is in construction.
Some activists don't consider rational motivation before starting attack what they dislike
Off course now it's empty, but just because is unconnected now. It's just the first part of the future link to Milan.
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Old May 12th, 2012, 01:52 AM   #3556
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Actually, what is the progress of the most difficult section of A3 between Palmi and Villa San Giovanni? it's already 6 or even more years in construction.
(even I made a construction report in 2009)
Macrolotto 5 (Palmi-Scilla) .............. 76% (end in July 2013)

Macrolotto 6 (Scilla-Villa S. Giovanni) ...............27% (end in March 2013)

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Those are bad-asses pieces of highway. One of the most impressive in Italy, as you slowly descend to 0 m.s.l.m.

Too bad the ferry terminal at Villa San Giovani could be worse looking with that claustrophobic railway underpass and totally outdated facilities near the embarkation ramps!
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Macrolotto 6 completed in 2013? if we are lucky in 2014, otherwise 2015
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Old May 14th, 2012, 08:17 PM   #3559
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University "Politecnico di Milano" proposed the construction of a cycle route along the entire length of river Po:
http://www.corriere.it/ambiente/12_m...270-9d0f-11e1-

It's called "VenTo", from VENezia to TOrino (but also "wind" in Italian), it will be 679 km long, from Venezia Lido to Chioggia (on boat) then to Ferrara, Cremona, Piacenza, Pavia, Milan, Chivasso, Casale Monferrato, Turin. It will cost only 80 million euro because 102 km (15% of the total) is already in place and with adequate safety standards; 284 can be updated just by changing some local laws about the utilization of dykes and levees, 148 can be updated with minimal efforts. Ony 145 would have to be built from scratch.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 03:20 PM   #3560
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I quote myself from the Italian thread, with some pictures of Quadrilatero project roadworks of SS76 (9th May 2012):
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Galleria Gattuccio:


Raddoppio poco prima di Albacina:





Galleria Albacina:



Galleria Cancelli:



Nuova galleria (di cui non so il nome) solo carreggiata nord:
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