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Old June 1st, 2012, 10:25 PM   #3581
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A good solution. I do think the tolls are too steep though.
35€ for a 1-way passage. Utter madness.
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 01:38 AM   #3582
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35€ for a 1-way passage. Utter madness.
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 12:23 PM   #3583
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The easternmost section of A4 photographed from the train beween Monfalcone and Trieste:



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Old June 2nd, 2012, 12:38 PM   #3584
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This is just for motorbikes

http://www.sftrf.fr/doc/commerciales...nel%202012.pdf

38,90 € or 39,40 € is for normal cars, depends which direction you're traveling (this peculiarity is new to me). Anyway I don't expect traffic to increase with already high tolls raising every year. For cars there is pretty nice alternative over Claviere/Montgenevre pass, Briancon and over D1091 to Grenoble.
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 02:48 PM   #3585
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The easternmost section of A4 photographed from the train beween Monfalcone and Trieste:
The first pic is RA 13.
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 03:39 PM   #3586
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The first pic is RA 13.
200 meters before it's A4. This is the exit of Sistiana, that is located between the end of A4 and the beginning of RA13.

The 2nd pic is Monfalcone est exit, just after Lisert toll booth on A4.

I took those pics coming from TS toward Monfalcone.
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 04:47 PM   #3587
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The easternmost section of A4 photographed from the train beween Monfalcone and Trieste:
on the 2nd photo there's one of the karst-springs of the river Timavo/Timav, which waters come from rivers Reka, Vipava and Soca/Isonzo.

btw, why is A4 ending in Sistiana and not in Trieste?
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 05:01 PM   #3588
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 05:17 PM   #3589
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38,90 € or 39,40 € is for normal cars, depends which direction you're traveling (this peculiarity is new to me).
This is due to VAT differences between Italy and France.
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 05:26 PM   #3590
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on the 2nd photo there's one of the karst-springs of the river Timavo/Timav, which waters come from rivers Reka, Vipava and Soca/Isonzo.
One of the world's shortest rivers - 2 km.

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btw, why is A4 ending in Sistiana and not in Trieste?
Because that's the official exit for the centre of Trieste.
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 05:45 PM   #3591
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One of the world's shortest rivers - 2 km.
It's much longer (89km according to Wiki), but it runs mostly underground, below 3 countries (I, SLO and HR).

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Because that's the official exit for the centre of Trieste.
The A4 till Sistiana was completed around 1970 already as motorway, while the RA13 was built more recently (late 80s, I think) upgrading a 2 lane road built by Anglo-Americans in the early 50s (originally SS202, number now assigned to the southern urban expressway).
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 06:19 PM   #3592
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It's much longer (89km according to Wiki), but it runs mostly underground, below 3 countries (I, SLO and HR).


The A4 till Sistiana was completed around 1970 already as motorway, while the RA13 was built more recently (late 80s, I think) upgrading a 2 lane road built by Anglo-Americans in the early 50s (originally SS202, number now assigned to the southern urban expressway).
I don't think it's like river in underground, it just collects waters from different areas, so 89km its more like madeup number IMO.

SS202 - weirdly on Google maps is designated to the motorway RA13 from Sistiana, and then it changes to old road descending to Trieste when the gap between RA13 and Nuova sopraelevata still existed, and then it jumps to the latter again. I think they should rearrange that.

and take a look at that: named as SS202, but marked as SP35
https://maps.google.si/maps?q=SS202&...SS202&t=m&z=14

why didn't angloamericans build any roads in SLO.

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Old June 2nd, 2012, 06:22 PM   #3593
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 06:41 PM   #3594
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I don't think it's like river in underground, it just collects waters from different areas, so 89km its more like madeup number IMO.

SS202 - weirdly on Google maps is designated to the motorway RA13 from Sistiana, and then it changes to old road descending to Trieste when the gap between RA13 and Nuova sopraelevata still existed, and then it jumps to the latter again. I think they should rearrange that.

and take a look at that: named as SS202, but marked as SP35
https://maps.google.si/maps?q=SS202&...SS202&t=m&z=14

why didn't angloamericans build any roads in SLO.
Google it's wrong in this case. Only the sopraelevata from Cattinara to the harbour is SS202.
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 06:53 PM   #3595
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One of the world's shortest rivers - 2 km.
This is said to be shorter: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliero_(fiume) (0,3 km)
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 06:57 PM   #3596
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... a 2 lane road built by Anglo-Americans in the early 50s (originally SS202, number now assigned to the southern urban expressway).
I remember that these 2 lanes were very wide (as wide as the Reichsautobahn). I suppose that this former road started at the former border of Italy and the Free Territory of Trieste and bypassed the urban territory of Trieste. Anglo-American have built this road not in the fifties, but probably after the WW2 ended. The main reason was to manipulate tanks from Italy through Allied part of FToT (zone A) to the border to Yugoslav part of FToT (zone B), in case of possible marshall Tito's reconquest of Trieste (remember that Tito partisans occupied Trieste in 1945 for almost a month). Of course that after Tito in 1950 converted to the Western Allies this wide road became obsolete, but the fact that Italy started to replace it with the motorway after Osimo treaty was signed in 1975 speaks for itself.
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 07:21 PM   #3597
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I passed through Frejus last year. I was alone all the way, speed limit is 50 km/h at both ends and 30 km/h (thirty kilometers-per-hour!!) at the center. The second tunnel will allow the limits to be raised, I don't know about capacity, though. It seemed to me that the single bore was already too much.
I went through the Frejus tunnel on a weekday on last April, the speed limit at that time was 70 km/h all the way but the journey felt unending anyway... moreover the air inside the tunnel was disgusting, there were several trucks but not many cars. At the entrance there was an italian police stopping you and asking to participate on a looong a survey about why you decided to use the tunnel and how much did you spent in Italy. At the exit (direction France) there were 5 french policemen to stop and fine every car that surpassed the speed limit on the tunnel... (luckly I was expecting something like that and was very carefull with the speed)

To sum it up: really too much hassle when you are paying almost 40 euros as toll, I will use the SS24 and N94 next time...
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 07:52 PM   #3598
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Maniva Pass (1664m) today (taken by me):


The pass is on the right, road goes down crossing the centre of the image and down left. The road going left and up from Maniva pass leads to Crocedominii pass (1892m), but it was closed.

Picture taken from the road leading to Baremone pass (1450m). Lots of passes in province of Brescia!
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 08:21 PM   #3599
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This is said to be shorter: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliero_(fiume) (0,3 km)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortest_river
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 10:18 PM   #3600
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To sum it up: really too much hassle when you are paying almost 40 euros as toll, I will use the SS24 and N94 next time...
More like 55 € if you go to at least Grenoble. For just half an hour of difference in 170 km.
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