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Old June 14th, 2012, 10:16 AM   #3621
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That's right. Also, driving in the Netherlands and driving in Italy are two worlds apart, and as such not comparable...
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Old June 14th, 2012, 11:17 AM   #3622
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There is a good chance there was barely any measurable impact on traffic safety and emission of noise and pollutants.
I'm not so sure about this. On an average car, fuel consumption skyrockets from 130 to 160 km/h... on my car it more than doubles.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 11:23 AM   #3623
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Sure, but that doesn't mean air quality degrades in any significant way. The common misconception is that higher or lower speed directly results in local air quality variations. Trials have shown the impact is rather small.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 11:23 AM   #3624
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Also, apparently in Austria with this IG-L 100 km/h limit instead of 130, which on the A12 is only applied when there is a higher smog risk (almost all the time) it does make a hell of a lot of difference. That is what the local authorities say, I don't know if it's true.
I can somehow see there point. The Inn valley is pretty densely populated, with bigger towns and cities, and a motorway that happens to be the busiest route between Italy and Germany...
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Old June 14th, 2012, 11:26 AM   #3625
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That only means the background concentrations are already near the limits. A motorway generally adds only a few g/m while the limit is 50 g/m. 100 or 130 km/h is basically decimal work.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 11:27 AM   #3626
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Sure, but that doesn't mean air quality degrades in any significant way. The common misconception is that higher or lower speed directly results in local air quality variations. Trials have shown the impact is rather small.
It's not that I don't trust you, but this seems difficult to accept. To my sense, if emissions double and speed doesn't, pollutants should accumulate faster in a given spot.
Do you have any actual studies to link?
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Old June 14th, 2012, 11:29 AM   #3627
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Are emissions more likely in Germany, because of higher speeds? The EU say it is, Germany argues that it hardly makes a difference...
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Old June 14th, 2012, 11:36 AM   #3628
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There is a difference between emissions and concentrations. Air quality is measured by the concentration of pollutants in g/m. Doubling emissions does not mean pollutants also double, because the concentration of pollutants is not created entirely by motorway emissions, something most politicians don't understand. Background concentrations (i.e. the concentration without the motorway) are generally significant in polluted areas like northern Italy or the Benelux.

For instance, they did a trial with 120 km/h as opposed to the regular 100 km/h on A1 in the Netherlands. The NOx concentration increased by 0,75 g/m and PM10 by 0,1 g/m. Noise levels increased by 0,3 dB.

For instance, this could be the air quality composition in a moderately - but below the limit - polluted area, typically found in densely populated, but rural areas such as eastern Netherlands.


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Old June 14th, 2012, 11:44 AM   #3629
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For instance, they did a trial with 120 km/h as opposed to the regular 100 km/h on A1 in the Netherlands. The NOx concentration increased by 0,75 g/m and PM10 by 0,1 g/m. Noise levels increased by 0,3 dB.
Understood. Even though "noise levels increased by .3 dB" means little. As the decibel scale is not linear but logarithmic, going from 10 to 10.3 or from 100 to 100.3 is a whole world apart.
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An increase of 1.5 - 2.0 dB is generally the threshold of what people can observe.

Noise levels depend on various factors, such as the driving speed, pavement type, amount of vehicles and the truck share. And the distance to the source of course.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 12:54 PM   #3631
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Twelve offences in 7 minutes.
Scooter driver loses 180 driver license points


A 21-y-o, who recently passed his driving test, was driving his scooter on a cycleway and fled when police officers spotted him. Officers went in pursue and when they caught him, they gave him 3 tickets for running red lights, 2 for driving wrong-way, 3 for not yielding, 2 for running a stop sign, 1 for excessive speed and, of course, 1 for driving on a cycleway. In total, 1000 euro and 180 points (an Italian license carries 20 points tops). His scooter was impounded and his license suspended.

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Why? He was only being a true Italian patriot!
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Old June 14th, 2012, 12:59 PM   #3633
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Why? He was only being a true Italian patriot!
His justification was: "I was bored".

And by the way: if he was a true Italian patriot he would have escaped the cops...

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Old June 18th, 2012, 11:03 AM   #3635
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Completion of A31 "Valdastico" South is seriously behind the schedule.

First section (Vicenza-Longare) was due to open this month but it has been pushed after the summer. The entire motorway will open in 2014 instead of 2013.

Looks like the main problem here is an official inquiry for possible mafia-related crimes in assigning subcontracts.

http://www.vicenzapiu.com/leggi/tira...valdastico-sud
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Old June 19th, 2012, 04:07 PM   #3636
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Modernized section of the Syracuse-Gela near the intersection of Avola.
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A18 Siracusa-Gela lavori presso Avola - 15 giugno 2012

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Ponte sullo Stretto di Messina - Prima parte
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Old June 19th, 2012, 11:08 PM   #3637
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A BreBeMi museum

Authorities are considering the idea of putting together all archaeological findings dug during BreBeMi works (more than 100 sites within 60 km of autostrada, ranging from prehistory to Middle Ages), in a so-called BreBeMi museum. Bronze age artifacts found at Antegnate; Roman ovens at Cassano d'Adda; a medieval necropolis at Fara Olivana; all of them may found a new home in a dedicated musem, possibly within one of the Autogrills in the new BreBeMi.

http://www.ilgiorno.it/bergamo/crona...li_scavi.shtml
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Old June 20th, 2012, 07:11 PM   #3638
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SS 640 Agrigento-Caltanissetta, two miles to the open two-way traffic



Opens today a new section of the SS 640. Another three kilometers of the new state "- Agrigento Caltanissetta", from km 15 +920 to 18 +870, from the junction of Castrofilippo shopping center "Le Vigne" in the territory of Racalmuto. Empedocles delivered as promised the land to more miles in both directions of travel of the state whose work continued for over three years. Another important appointment in mid-July with the opening of a further 4 km, in the section between the junction and junction Scintilia Walnut.




source: http://cmcgruppo.com/empedocle/

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SS 640 Agrigento-Caltanissetta, two miles to the open two-way traffic
When did the Kingdom of Two Sicilies switch to the imperial units?

Anyway please don't post anything translated into English with Google. Nobody would understand anything.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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SS 640 Agrigento-Caltanissetta, two miles to the open two-way traffic

Opens today a new section of the SS 640. Another three kilometers of the new state "- Agrigento Caltanissetta", from km 15 +920 to 18 +870, from the junction of Castrofilippo shopping center "Le Vigne" in the territory of Racalmuto. Empedocles delivered as promised the land to more miles in both directions of travel of the state whose work continued for over three years. Another important appointment in mid-July with the opening of a further 4 km, in the section between the junction and junction Scintilia Walnut.

source: http://cmcgruppo.com/empedocle/

And people in the land of Walnut where filled with joy...
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