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Old November 30th, 2007, 11:37 PM   #381
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I wanted say that you make a very impressive job, not only in Italy with impressive viaducts and so on but also in toher countries, an Italian company has rehabilitated a long stretch of road year 2000 and it is still like brandnew and feels like brandnew altough there´s heavy car and tracktraffic on it. What has an Italian company done there I don´t know, are they as durative that they keep being black after 7 years, too?
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 08:00 PM   #382
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Ok. Maybe there is a problem of the language. It's true, I tend to call bypasses Tangenziale. I don't find any other english word that suits well for it.

P.S. unbelievable, do you know the small Pavia...and also Max Pezzali?
I always thought the idiomatic rather than direct translations in English(UK) were passante = bypass and tangenziale = ring road.

I may be wrong of course :LOL
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 08:02 PM   #383
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I thought Tangenziale was more of a throughway or "spange" in German. A ring road is a raccordo, right?
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 08:06 PM   #384
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Stunning

I have always loved Italian autostrade mainly because of the impressive engineering in tunnels and viaducts. The signage is disappointing though.

My favourite drive is the A8 La Provençale Nice/Nizza (F) - A10 dei Fiori Genoa (I). Amazing.

Would love to see some photos of A23 (A)-Tarvisio-Udine though, another stunning motorway.
(thanks to davidkunz/VIE for those already posted)

ciao al tutti x

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Old December 2nd, 2007, 08:32 PM   #385
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And a question for Italians: how come there's a town called "Jesolo", when there's no letter "j" in the Italian alphabet? (at least I think so)
from wikipedia:
The letters j (i lunga), k (cappa), w (vi/vu doppia), x (ics), and y (ipsilon/i greca), are not considered part of the standard Italian alphabet, but appear in loanwords (such as jeans, whisky, and taxi). X has become a commonly used letter in genuine Italian words with the prefix extra-. J in Italian is an old-fashioned orthographic variant of i, appearing in the first name "Jacopo" as well as in some Italian place names, e.g., the towns of Bajardo, Bojano, Buja, Castel di Judica, Jacurso, Jelsi, Jenne, Jerago con Orago, Jerzu, Jesi, Jesolo, Jolanda di Savoia, Jonadi, Joppolo, Lajatico, Letojanni, Majano, Mezzojuso, Mojo Alcantara, Montalbano Jonico, Pietraroja, Raccuja, Reana del Rojale, San Giuseppe Jato, Scanzano Jonico, Torre Cajetani, Vajont, Vejano, among numerous others, and in the alternate spelling Mar Jonio (also spelled Mar Ionio) for the Ionian Sea. J may also appear in many words from different dialects, but its use is discouraged in contemporary Italian, and it is not part of the standard 21-letter contemporary Italian alphabet.
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 08:35 PM   #386
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I thought Tangenziale was more of a throughway or "spange" in German. A ring road is a raccordo, right?
I think you might be right Chris. Thanks!
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 08:40 PM   #387
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I found that on the web... tanks 'invading' autostrada
They usually use trucks to transfer armoured military vehicles, anyway this model of tank (Centauro) reaches a speed of 100 km/h on road
I remember being in Germany as a child in the 1980s and there were army vehicles everywhere. Bad old times. Hooray New Europe !
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 07:32 AM   #388
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These are not as beautiful as other pictures I've seen but here are some pictures from SS336 to E62 heading to Milano from Malpensa. Milano was a great looking city in my opinion. These were taken on the 8th of May, 2007 at about 9 in the morning.




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Old December 3rd, 2007, 12:24 PM   #389
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look at the ford focus in the middle
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 05:06 PM   #390
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I thought Tangenziale was more of a throughway or "spange" in German. A ring road is a raccordo, right?
Raccordo means litterally 'link'
A 'raccordo autostradale' is a motorway link between different motorways

You probably get confused 'cause of GRA (Grande Raccordo Anulare) of Rome
It means Big (grande) Ring (anulare) Link (raccordo)

Actually it is a ring road and conceptually a 'tangenziale' but I think they didn't call it 'tangenziale' because in inner city there was an express way named Tangenziale Est
Then there is not a word to translate 'ring road' actually, and Rome GRA is the only motorway ring in Italy built as one project (the other 'rings' are the sum of different tangenziali or motorways, as in Milan for istance)

There is the name 'circonvallazione' used to indicate ring roads, but urban ones with crossroads at grade; in Milan we use to individuate many different concentric 'circles' in urban web and name 'em circonvallazione
But even here in this case there is nothing sure; in Rome the meaning is a bit different: they name circonvallazione urban roads (not expressway) which bypass, for istance, the historic core of a borough
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 08:18 PM   #391
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look at the ford focus in the middle
Yep, she just cut her way though traffic to get into the fast lane. I saw some crazy driving while in Italy especially with the motorcycles.
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Old December 4th, 2007, 12:54 AM   #392
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Some time ago I read in ADAC Motorwelt (German automobile association magazine) that Italy had more tunnels than the rest of the EU combined (by numbers, not length).

Does anyone have acutal numbers on that? Would be interesting to know.
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Old December 4th, 2007, 09:04 AM   #393
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Very possible. Only autostrada between Ventimiglia and Genova has about 50 tunnels. That's probably more than in whole Germany, Benelux, Poland, and EU part of Scandinavia combined.
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Yeah i think so too. Italy has an incredible number of tunnels, i think they have even way more tunnels than Switzerland and Austria combined, per kilometer motorway.
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Old December 4th, 2007, 11:58 AM   #395
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Some time ago I read in ADAC Motorwelt (German automobile association magazine) that Italy had more tunnels than the rest of the EU combined (by numbers, not length).

Does anyone have acutal numbers on that? Would be interesting to know.
No source to give you, but I heard the same thing
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Old December 4th, 2007, 12:40 PM   #396
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Very possible. Only autostrada between Ventimiglia and Genova has about 50 tunnels. That's probably more than in whole Germany, Benelux, Poland, and EU part of Scandinavia combined.
it has more than 100 once i tried to count tunnels traveling from Barcelona to Croatia. i fell asleep somewhere between Savona and Genova, in that moment the number was about 120
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Nice pictures. What does that sign mean with the red truck on the left and black car on the right? As I type this I think of "no truck passing" but while I was in Italy those were one of the signs I couldn't figure out.


Also I love those bridges but the ironic thing is when you're driving on them, they're built so well that you hardly notice you're so high up off the ground.
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Old December 7th, 2007, 07:23 PM   #399
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What does that sign mean with the red truck on the left and black car on the right? As I type this I think of "no truck passing" but while I was in Italy those were one of the signs I couldn't figure out.
It means: overtaking prohibited for lorries




Or if you prefer: trucks must stay on right lane till they see that one

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Very possible. Only autostrada between Ventimiglia and Genova has about 50 tunnels. That's probably more than in whole Germany, Benelux, Poland, and EU part of Scandinavia combined.
I wonder why you left Norway out of Scandinavia here The last count I have seen was from 2003, at which time Norway had around 1250 highway tunnels. But the number has increased since then. Having said that, the motorway along the riviera is a very impressing piece of engineering both on the French and Italian side of the border.

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