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Old July 30th, 2012, 11:56 AM   #3981
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These are the only buildings on the new alignment that have to be demolished:
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Old July 30th, 2012, 12:18 PM   #3982
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This will be already prepared for 2x4, right?
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Old July 30th, 2012, 12:21 PM   #3983
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This will be already prepared for 2x4, right?
Don't think so. This stretch is not often congested: traffic jams usually are located east.
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Old July 30th, 2012, 12:21 PM   #3984
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That would be a smart thing to do if you're investing this kind of money on bridges. Even if it's not necessary today, it could be useful later. The Netherlands is currently profiting from space reservations made during the 1970s, which saves a lot of money on expropriation and rebuilding bridges.
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Old July 30th, 2012, 01:07 PM   #3985
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Some news from the northeast of Italy:

Connection between the A23 near Gemona del Friuli with the A28 near Cimpello (Pordenone):
The works should start 2013 -this said the local minister of Friuli-Venezia Giulia

But there are serioes protests against the new motorway - more than 5000 persons have given the signature against the new motorway.

The connection between Gemona and Cimpello would be a shorter way from Austria to Venice, but according to the enemies of the project the new motoroway would be damaging the nature and life in north Friuli.

So let's see what really happens here

Another news:
the RA (raccordo autostradale) between the A4 near Villesse and Gorizia-Nova Gorica (SLO) is now closed for some months because there are construction works. After the works the Raccordo will be completely modern and will be look like a real motorway. His function is to connect the A4 to the Slovenian motorway and also Venice to Ljubljana.

Along the motorway A23 the tunnels are now completely equipped with the latest security-guidelines.
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Old July 30th, 2012, 04:23 PM   #3986
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Green light for Stelvio Pass toll. Starting from next 1st January cars on the Pass will be tolled 10 euro. Electric cars will NOT be tolled.
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Old July 30th, 2012, 04:25 PM   #3987
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That would be a smart thing to do if you're investing this kind of money on bridges. Even if it's not necessary today, it could be useful later. The Netherlands is currently profiting from space reservations made during the 1970s, which saves a lot of money on expropriation and rebuilding bridges.
We were not so intelligent. Except a few cases, every time we build an extralane we have to remake all bridges or most of them. There are exceptions: on A14 in the newer stretches south of Ancona it was possible to enlarge without touching overpassing bridges and so on.

Anyway this bridge will surely be built 3+1 so in the future if necessary it could be made into 4+4 without emergency lane, which is fine for a bridge

For now the project is to add the emergency lane on the entire Torino-Milano with some upgrades in terms of size, quality of the road etc whil the Marcallo-Mesero- Milano will be 2x4.

There is - as of today - not much need for a 2x4 also accross Ticino, but we all now these things change
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Old July 30th, 2012, 04:32 PM   #3988
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€ 10 for a mountain pass is outrageous.
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Old July 30th, 2012, 04:34 PM   #3989
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€ 10 for a mountain pass is outrageous.
Outrageous is also the fact that only one side will be tolled
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Old July 30th, 2012, 04:57 PM   #3990
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Don't think so. This stretch is not often congested: traffic jams usually are located east.
Isn't A4 between Milano and Novara planned for 2x4? Or did I misunderstood something?

And 10€ toll for Stelvio pass doesn't seem a lot to me. Many mountain roads all over Alps are tolled more, even less important ones. If it is justified, that is another question.
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Old July 30th, 2012, 05:05 PM   #3991
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Tolls in the Alps are usually applied when complicated engineering is involved, and/or to discourage mass traffic using these roads.
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Old July 30th, 2012, 05:10 PM   #3992
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Those roads also need much more mainteance because of harsh weather conditions.
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Old July 30th, 2012, 05:13 PM   #3993
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And 10€ toll for Stelvio pass doesn't seem a lot to me. Many mountain roads all over Alps are tolled more, even less important ones. If it is justified, that is another question.
Stelvio Pass is the only way to get from Northern Lombardy to Alto Adige, and it's open only during summers. I think it's enough for Valtellina to feel isolated. Tolls will only make this isolation worse
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Old July 30th, 2012, 05:19 PM   #3994
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Ferries are the only way to get to most islands in Mediterranean. Should they be free?

Also I think that connection between two provinces, which is not natural (such high pass surely cannot be) is not essential for some villages to live.
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Old July 30th, 2012, 05:21 PM   #3995
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Ferries are the only way to get to most islands in Mediterranean. Should they be free?
Yes, they should. At least for residents.

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Also I think that connection between two provinces, which is not natural (such high pass surely cannot be) is not essential for some villages to live.
Not essential, since they lived centuries without. But for sure limiting, in a "global village" framework.
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Old July 30th, 2012, 05:28 PM   #3996
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Green light for Stelvio Pass toll. Starting from next 1st January cars on the Pass will be tolled 10 euro. Electric cars will NOT be tolled.
According to that article, the proceeding of toll are not even going to be used for road maintenance:

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Gli incassi andranno ad opere di tutela ambientale.
The revenue will be used for environmental protection works.

To be fair, other mountain passes like Passo Rombo and Silvtretta already have tolls, but they are used to beautify the area and keep the road in good condition.

As for electric cars: that is a joke. There is hardly any electric car whose range can travel over the Passo Stelvio safely from Bromio to Prato allo Stelvio. None.

As for the motorbike fee waive: ridiculous. There are much more motorbike than cars travelling there, and they are usually big ones, which pollutes, individually, far more per km than a passenger car!
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Old July 30th, 2012, 05:36 PM   #3997
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As for the motorbike fee waive: ridiculous. There are much more motorbike than cars travelling there, and they are usually big ones, which pollutes, individually, far more per km than a passenger car!
I think you mistranslated. Motorbikes will be tolled: cyclists will climb the Pass for free.
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Old July 30th, 2012, 05:40 PM   #3998
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Don't think so. This stretch is not often congested: traffic jams usually are located east.
As far as I know A4 west of Milan is forecast to have 4 lanes.

For istance all the new viaducts built during HSR construction forecast 4 lanes as the following streetview pic clearly shows http://maps.google.it/maps?hl=it&ll=...263.37,,0,6.33
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Old July 30th, 2012, 06:02 PM   #3999
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Isn't A4 between Milano and Novara planned for 2x4? Or did I misunderstood something?
If you did, I did misunderstand as well

In this page the description tells that there will be an enlargement to 4 lanes + emergency lane in the stretch Boffalora-Milano Ghisolfa
http://www.trasporti.regione.lombard...=DG_INFWrapper

And that is the way I always knew
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Old July 30th, 2012, 08:42 PM   #4000
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As for electric cars: that is a joke. There is hardly any electric car whose range can travel over the Passo Stelvio safely from Bromio to Prato allo Stelvio. None.
A Tesla Roadster would make it.
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