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Old August 28th, 2012, 08:23 PM   #4121
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Here in Hungary we very seldom use exonyms (I mean outside the area of historic Hungary). And many Hungarian names are simply the original name with a hungarianized spelling, e.g. Róma for Roma (same pronounciation). There are no more then 6-7 exonyms really in use here, and as far as I know only one of them in Italy (Venezia => Velence).
Velence seems more loike the spanish city of Valencia rather than the Italian Venezia (Venice)!
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Old August 28th, 2012, 08:30 PM   #4122
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The Dutch language is one of the hardest to pronounce correctly. Even well-assimilated immigrants cannot speak it correctly.

For writing, I prefer the endonyms (Firenze, Genova, Roma, Napoli, etc.) however in speech I will use exonyms for the most well-known cities. But for instance Padova (Padua) is hardly ever mentioned in the Netherlands, so if I call it Padova, nobody would think if there may be an exonym for it, just like places like Livorno or Piacenza or Siracusa which do not have an exonym in Dutch.

Some exonyms in the Netherlands have been falling out of use though, especially German and French ones. Almost no Dutch would know what Osnabrugge, Brunswijk, Kales or Atrecht are unless they know it from advanced history classes or something.
Osnabrugge is Osnabrück, easy!

But the other three I absolutely don't know ehat they are!

Talking about city names, in Italy there's one that is endonym and exnoym at the same time: it is Mantova (Mantua) 'cause "Mantua" is the name of the town in local dialect!
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Old August 28th, 2012, 08:31 PM   #4123
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Velence seems more loike the spanish city of Valencia rather than the Italian Venezia (Venice)!
Which used to be known in Italian as "Valenza". The Italian town of Valenza then used to be known as "Valenza Po".

Kinda liked "Valenza" better.
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Old August 28th, 2012, 08:35 PM   #4124
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Which used to be known in Italian as "Valenza". The Italian town of Valenza then used to be known as "Valenza Po".

Kinda liked "Valenza" better.
In fact the official name of that municipality is just "Valenza" and not "Valenza Po" that has been used in the past (mainly for fascist italianization reasons) to distinguish the Piedmontese town and the Spanish one that was compulsory named "Valenza" during fascism!
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Old August 28th, 2012, 08:38 PM   #4125
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Little change of subject.... what's the realistic chance for the Messina Strait Bridge to get build?
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Old August 28th, 2012, 09:42 PM   #4126
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Little change of subject.... what's the realistic chance for the Messina Strait Bridge to get build?
First of all the A3 must be complete. Then we can think about a bridge between Calabria and Sicilia!
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Old August 29th, 2012, 01:14 AM   #4127
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Today it was ipossible to enter the A4 from Dalmine. And no information about alternative routes!

I was coming from Seriate (in a location from which Bergamo entrance is nearer than the one of Seriate). So I drove the bypass of Bergamo, but when i reached the entrance to the A4 I found the usual queue to exit the bypass (very stupid junction... should be radically modified!), so I passed on and went to Dalmine (passing by Curno junction) just to find the enrance to A4 closed!

Finally I reached Capriate and could enter A4...
From Seriate to Capriate just to enter the highway!
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Old August 29th, 2012, 09:08 AM   #4128
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Little change of subject.... what's the realistic chance for the Messina Strait Bridge to get build?
None.
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Old August 29th, 2012, 06:15 PM   #4129
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What is the lane width of the A10 between Genova and Ventimiglia? It seems quite narrow for a motorway.
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Old August 29th, 2012, 06:47 PM   #4130
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Here they say between 25 m and 32.50m, depending on stretches with 2-3 lanes per direction.
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Old August 29th, 2012, 07:17 PM   #4131
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Little change of subject.... what's the realistic chance for the Messina Strait Bridge to get build?
Depend in which future you mean. If you mean the next 30 years there's 0% of chance, if you mean the next 100 years maybe there's some. Certainly it's not a priority, especially in those years of crisis and with all difficulties that a such project would bring.
It's not easy to do prediction about such things. Berlusconi few years ago said 2017 but we knew that it was just unrealistic propaganda.
It's like discussing when hydrogen or electricity will replace petrol and gasoline.
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And the Genova bypass?
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Old August 29th, 2012, 07:25 PM   #4133
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And the Genova bypass?
Better than the Messina Bridge, but not so much. Genoa mayor doesn't like the project.
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Old August 29th, 2012, 07:32 PM   #4134
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Better than the Messina Bridge, but not so much. Genoa mayor doesn't like the project.
The route had not be decided yet
Other important projects that will remain dreams for at least few decades are a complete motorway from Venice to Orte and eventually Civitavecchia and the completition of the A31 towards Trento.
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The route had not be decided yet
False. The definitive project is ready.

http://www.lestradedellinformazione....icolo7066.html
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Here they say between 25 m and 32.50m, depending on stretches with 2-3 lanes per direction.
Thanks, but I meant the width per lane. Motorways typically have 3.75 meter wide lanes and expressways typically have 3.5 meter wide lanes. The A10 seemed to have lanes of about 3 meters, judging relative to the width of the vehicles in front of me.
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False. The definitive project is ready.

http://www.lestradedellinformazione....icolo7066.html
Wiki isn't always clear and updated.
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Thanks, but I meant the width per lane. Motorways typically have 3.75 meter wide lanes and expressways typically have 3.5 meter wide lanes. The A10 seemed to have lanes of about 3 meters, judging relative to the width of the vehicles in front of me.
3.75 is the current standard, A10 was built in the 50s/60s. Many old highways don't meet modern construction rules.
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Old August 29th, 2012, 08:19 PM   #4139
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Genoa mayor doesn't like the project.
In the Netherlands that would be completely irrelevant. It's outside the mayors jurisdiction. If parliament voted in favor, it should be constructed.
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Old August 29th, 2012, 09:04 PM   #4140
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Local jurisdictions have more power in Italy than in the Netherlands. And I favor it: in Rome they don't necessarily know what's best for a given town.
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