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Old December 7th, 2007, 08:26 PM   #401
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Let's check that on road tunnels in Europe http://www.dublincity.ie/Images/Micr...cm35-53246.pdf

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Obviously there are all the tunnels under 1000 m too which are the most, I think
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Old December 7th, 2007, 08:38 PM   #402
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Yes, and to be fair, the fraction dual carriage tunnels certainly is a lot higher in Italy than in Norway.
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Old December 7th, 2007, 08:48 PM   #403
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Don't know in this list, surely with tunnels under 1000 mts is very likely (but it's due to the road network lenght)
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Old December 7th, 2007, 11:01 PM   #404
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You should drive the SS36 along lake Como. Maybe not a lot of tunnels of 1000m and more, but you'll drive more in tunnels than not in tunnels.
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Old December 8th, 2007, 12:58 AM   #405
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I wonder why you left Norway out of Scandinavia here The last count I have seen was from 2003, at which time Norway had around 1250 highway tunnels.
Norway was intentionally left out.

Still, Italy has also many many normal highway tunnels, combined with motorway tunnels, I think, Norway could be easily beaten. But I won't bet on it, I've never been to Norway.
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Old December 8th, 2007, 10:21 PM   #406
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Norway was intentionally left out.

Still, Italy has also many many normal highway tunnels, combined with motorway tunnels, I think, Norway could be easily beaten. But I won't bet on it, I've never been to Norway.
If you count only motorway tunnels, Italy wins by a longshot. 99% of tunnels in NO are two-way, two-lane and sometimes 1,5-laned And the few motorway tunnels that do exist are constantly falling apart.. At least that's the impression one gets when watching the news..
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Old December 9th, 2007, 06:21 AM   #407
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Hi Guys!
How about prices of Italian motorways??
Is there any website where you can calculate easily how much it will cost you between points A and B?
Let say from Torino to Milan or to Genoa or some long distance like Torino to Rome.
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Old December 9th, 2007, 11:25 AM   #408
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http://www.viamichelin.com

Otherwise, prices are comparable to other countries with such kind of tolls (France, Spain, Slovenia, Croatia - around 5-6 eurocents per km)
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Old December 9th, 2007, 04:12 PM   #409
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Hi Guys!
How about prices of Italian motorways??
Is there any website where you can calculate easily how much it will cost you between points A and B?
Let say from Torino to Milan or to Genoa or some long distance like Torino to Rome.
http://www.autostrade.it
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Old December 10th, 2007, 11:38 AM   #410
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Always from the same link

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It would be interesting to know which of these ones are highway tunnels and which are not

For istance Gran Sasso got highway standard (two tunnels, one per direction, with two lanes)
While Monte Bianco (Mont Blanc), Frejus and Gothard have just one tunnel with two lanes (one per direction)
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Gran Sasso is the longest european double-tube tunnel, Plabutsch is second longest. i don't know about these chinese and japanese.
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I hope to drive through the Gran Sasso tunnel in May.
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Old December 10th, 2007, 01:52 PM   #413
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I hope to drive through the Gran Sasso tunnel in May.
as we are really in lack of photos of it, we're expecting you to change the current situation
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You bet.
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Gran Sasso is the longest european double-tube tunnel, Plabutsch is second longest. i don't know about these chinese and japanese.
As I know, all Japanese and Chinese tunnels in this table are motorway tunnels. However any Norwegian one.
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Old December 11th, 2007, 03:26 AM   #416
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http://www.viamichelin.com

Otherwise, prices are comparable to other countries with such kind of tolls (France, Spain, Slovenia, Croatia - around 5-6 eurocents per km)
Thanks!!
I didn't know they show cost of travel.
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Old December 11th, 2007, 09:09 PM   #417
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It would be interesting to know which of these ones are highway tunnels and which are not

For istance Gran Sasso got highway standard (two tunnels, one per direction, with two lanes)
While Monte Bianco (Mont Blanc), Frejus and Gothard have just one tunnel with two lanes (one per direction)
Take a look at http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...by_length#Road
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Old December 12th, 2007, 12:06 PM   #418
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As I know, all Japanese and Chinese tunnels in this table are motorway tunnels. However any Norwegian one.
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This thread is now severly off topic. Perhaps time to start a new thread?

There are very few motorways in Norway (around 200 km, I believe), and most of the longer tunnels in Norway are in remote areas at the west coast and in Northern Norway with relatively light traffic, and thus all the longest tunnels are single tube/two lanes.

The longest 2+2 tunnel in Norway is as far as I know Norbytunnelen on E6 south of Oslo, with length 3850 (both tubes). Not far behind is Fløyfjelltunnelen just north of central Bergen, with 3 825 m (longest tube) and 3195 m (shortest tube). However, there is a 2+2 tunnelproject under construction south of Bergen, which as far I have understood will be 8 km:

Still not enough to reach top ten.

However, there is currently large political push to build several new tunnel projects around the coast. Most interesting for the "record books" is a project to eliminate the ferries on the E39 north of Stavanger. They want to replace it with a 2+2 dual tube subaquaous motorway tunnel which will be more than 25 km long!

Other plans that may result in long motorway tunnels are a new crossing
of the Oslo-fjord (Moss-Horten) (10 km?), as well as a crossing of the Trondheim fjord (Trondheim-Fosen with subaquous exit for Frosta), which will be more than 25 km as well. Only the first 15 km, Trondheim-Frosta, which can be part of the E6, will probably have to be motorway, though.

It will be interesting to see any of these projects will be recommended in the national transport plan which will be presented in January and then be discussed in the parliament. The E39 project is certainly first in the pipeline, as they have done a large and comprehensive study. What is certain, however, is that the thrifty Norwegian road authorities never would have built any of these tunnels 2+2 if it hadn't been for new EU-regulations, that says that new tunnels more than 10 km long and 8000 AADT should have two separate tubes.
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Old December 12th, 2007, 06:26 PM   #419
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Bit OT

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Italy truck strike causes chaos
By Christian Fraser
BBC News, Rome



Italy's truck drivers are mounting a third day of demonstrations and blockades, leading to shortages of petrol and food across the country.
Drivers are protesting against high fuel prices and long working hours.

The unions walked out of a meeting on Tuesday with Transport Minister Alessandro Bianchi, breaking off negotiations to end the strike.

The authorities say the blockades are unlawful and are warning drivers to remove them or face sanctions.

[...]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7140172.stm













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Old December 12th, 2007, 07:20 PM   #420
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Driving on A4 and fighting for your small place under the sun and between trucks, you sometimes wonder, if they strike every day.
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