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Old August 31st, 2012, 05:56 PM   #4181
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I can't avoid you to feel less free than people of Capo Verde or Mauritius.
But I want underline that nobody comes during the night at your home, pick up you or your parents and lead to prison, only because you are using internet.
Nobody is stopping you from speaking with more than 3 people in a public place.
Nobody can prohibit you to buy the Gazzetta dello Sport.
Nobody can prohibit you to masturbate with the Democracy Index by The Economist...

During the election day you vote for a party, the day after they can choose who they want to be the PM, even a horse or donkey.
Man you must study our Constitution...
I think you masturbate with our old Constitution if you take it sacred as it would be the bible. Should I maybe remember you the words of Elsa Fornero, minister of this government that seems you like so much that said "the work is not a right" completely in contrast with art.1 of the Constitution you love so much?
Man open eyes....
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Old August 31st, 2012, 06:06 PM   #4182
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But in other democratic countries the premier never controlled all the biggest national TV channels, neither made laws "ad personam" to protect himself and his friends from legal prosecutions nor attack the justice system saying that anti-corruption judges are like the KGB.
In other democratic countries they don't the same politicians swinging on the Chair since 20+ years with so large number of politicians enquired and comdemned. They change the name of the party, but the faces are always the same (and when somebody is different like Monti, nobody elected him). Italy is just an oligarchy disguised like a democracy
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Old August 31st, 2012, 06:08 PM   #4183
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The first article is bulls*it, but old or not, that Constitution is what we have currently, and nowhere is wrote that you vote for a PM.

Salutami Beppe Grillo.
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Old August 31st, 2012, 06:14 PM   #4184
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Completely wrong again, Beppe Grillo mi sta sulle palle come tutti quelli tendenti a sinistra
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Old August 31st, 2012, 06:18 PM   #4185
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Can someone please stop the OT, and maybe delete all these useless messages?
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Old August 31st, 2012, 06:20 PM   #4186
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Completely wrong again, Beppe Grillo mi sta sulle palle come tutti quelli tendenti a sinistra
At least he's involved in politics for ideals and not for money and power. In Italy left and right are the same when it comes to protect their privileges.

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Old August 31st, 2012, 06:30 PM   #4187
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At least he's involved in politics for ideals and not for money and power. In Italy left and right are the same when it comes to protect their privileges.

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I agree with you about left and right are the same....about he's involved for ideals and not money and power....about this i would have many many doubts. He's another with a lot of "scheletri nell'armadio"
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Old August 31st, 2012, 06:31 PM   #4188
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Can someone please stop the OT, and maybe delete all these useless messages?
I'm almost done with my article, and prepared to explain the Electoral College, as threatened, if necessary. :-)

Actually, it can be interesting to lurk on this sort of discussion. So long as it's not in Italian.

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Old August 31st, 2012, 06:36 PM   #4189
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To talk about politic is not so much offtopic when you talk about infrastructures. TAV is an example, cause only few politics,people involved in it and friends of frends want it notwithstanding is completely useless, expansive and potential dangerous
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Old August 31st, 2012, 06:38 PM   #4190
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What is TAV?
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Old August 31st, 2012, 06:38 PM   #4191
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To talk about politic is not so much offtopic when you talk about infrastructures.
It is when you talk about constitution, which has nothing to do with infrastructures, and insult each other.

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Treno Alta Velocitŕ - High Speed Train
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Old August 31st, 2012, 10:28 PM   #4192
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Back to roads, my pics of the SS36, section between Abbadia Lariana and Colico, northbound












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Old August 31st, 2012, 10:39 PM   #4193
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SS36, section between Colico and Chiavenna














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Old September 3rd, 2012, 09:07 AM   #4194
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From the Italian forum... new alignment (red) and current [old] alignment (black) of A3 between Bagnara C. and Scilla

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Ho trovato questa cartina dell'A3 SA-RC (forse č stata giŕ pubblicata) con la sovrapposizione del nuovo tracciato (in rosso) sull'esistente tratto SCILLA-BAGNARA.

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Old September 3rd, 2012, 11:06 AM   #4195
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Is it correct that A3 will be 10 km shorter after all the works?
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Old September 3rd, 2012, 11:59 AM   #4196
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Is it correct that A3 will be 10 km shorter after all the works?
Yes, in 2007 the estimate was 430 km (Salerno-Reggio), while before the works it was 443 km, so 13 km shorter.

www.stradeanas.it/index.php?/file/download/10296

Estimates in 2012 are more like 20 km shorter:

http://www.lettera43.it/politica/a3-...4367554736.htm
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Old September 3rd, 2012, 12:06 PM   #4197
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I stumbled today across a project I knew nothing about. There's a plan to double GRA on its South quadrant, linking directly A1 and Fiumicino Airport:

http://roma.repubblica.it/cronaca/20..._sud-41870613/

The project provides for 34.5 km of tolled autostrada, 6 total lanes, works starting in 2016. Six exits (Tor de' Cenci, Laurentina, Anagnina-Tuscolana, A1 Rome-Naples, Casilina, A1 Fiano-San Cesareo). 9 km of tunnels (Castel di Leva 200m, Old Appia 200 m, Fioranello 5640 m, Anagnina-Romanina 2660 m). At the cost of 1.7 billion € - 48 M€ per km.
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Old September 3rd, 2012, 01:49 PM   #4198
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SS37, Chiavenna - Swiss border
Have you got pictures taken beyond the Swiss border?

Where were you driving to?
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Old September 3rd, 2012, 07:08 PM   #4200
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It's E64, not E66.
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