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Old September 4th, 2012, 11:25 AM   #4221
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Apart from speed-reading, you also need a hawkeye to be able to read the route numbers of Italian signs. The font size employed for this purpose is a lot smaller than the rest of the sign and tricky to read at 130 km/h.

Otherwise, there is some oddity in the Italian choice to signpost E-numbers that are hardly being used (leaving aside exceptions like the E45 Orte - Cesena and the E78) while omitting those route numbers that are being used.
E-Numbers are omitted in many countries! Have you ever seen an E-Number in Germany?

Then, numbers, well, Italian motorways are not so many and then it's easy for Italian people to remember all the motorways and their numbers. And as I explained some minutes ago, Italians prefer nicknames to numbers!
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Old September 4th, 2012, 11:38 AM   #4222
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Italian motorways and their nicknames:

A1 Milan - Naples "Motorway of the Sun"
A3 Salerno - Reggio Calabria
A4 Turin - Trieste "The Serenissima"
A5 Turin - Mont Blanc "Aosta Valley's Motorway"
A6 Turin - Savona "The Verdemare"
A7 Milan - Genoa "The Serravalle" and "Giovi Motorway"
A8 Milan - Varese "The Motorway of Lakes"
A9 Lainate - Chiasso "The Motorway of Lakes"
A10 Genoa - Ventimiglia "The Motorways of Flowers"
A11 Florence - Pisa
A12 Genoa - Rome "The Azure Motorway"
A13 Bologna - Padova
A14 Bologna - Taranto "The Adriatic Motorway"
A15 Parma - La Spezia "Cisa's Motorway"
A16 Naples - Canosa di Puglia "The Two Seas Motorway"
A18 Messina - Catania
A19 Palermo - Catania
A20 Messina - Palermo
A21 Turin - Piacenza - Brescia "The Motorway of Wines"
A22 Modena - Brenner "The Brenner's Motorway"
A23 Tarvisio - Palmanova "Alps to Adria Motorway"
A24 Rome - Teramo "The Motorway of Parks"
A25 Torano - Pescara "The Motorway of Parks"
A26 Genoa - Gravellona Toce "The Motorway of Tunnels"
A27 Venice - Belluno "Alemagna Motorway"
A28 Portogruaro - Conegliano Veneto
A29 Palermo - Mazara del Vallo "Motorway of the Salt"
A30 Caserta - Salerno
A31 Vicenza - Schio "Val d'Astico's Motorway"
A32 Turin - Bardonecchia "Frejus's Motorway"
A33 Asti - Cuneo "Langhe's Motorway"
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Old September 4th, 2012, 12:59 PM   #4223
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Apart from speed-reading, you also need a hawkeye to be able to read the route numbers of Italian signs. The font size employed for this purpose is a lot smaller than the rest of the sign and tricky to read at 130 km/h.

Otherwise, there is some oddity in the Italian choice to signpost E-numbers that are hardly being used (leaving aside exceptions like the E45 Orte - Cesena and the E78) while omitting those route numbers that are being used.
Try California highways. I casuslly found a stop-sign sized placard amidst the bushes hinting that the ramp on my right lead to nothing less than US101.
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Old September 4th, 2012, 04:07 PM   #4224
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They're not out of date!
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I was talking about E-numbers that have been wrong since 1983 but are still signed, as someone else mentioned.

It doesn't affect me personally, but the fixing-them-costs-money excuse doesn't cut it for me.

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E-Numbers are omitted in many countries! Have you ever seen an E-Number in Germany?
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You can see a few in the German Autobahn thread. (Although do they use them only on "reassurance signs" - the signs between interchanges that give upcoming destinations with distances - and not at interchanges?)

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Try California highways. I casuslly found a stop-sign sized placard amidst the bushes hinting that the ramp on my right lead to nothing less than US101.
There's no excuse for that either.
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Old September 4th, 2012, 04:13 PM   #4226
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It doesn't affect me personally, but the fixing-them-costs-money excuse doesn't cut it for me.
It's not fixing-them-costs-money.
It's fixing-them-costs-money-and-nobody-would-give-a-damn.
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Old September 4th, 2012, 06:46 PM   #4227
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It's not fixing-them-costs-money.
It's fixing-them-costs-money-and-nobody-would-give-a-damn.
Don't think stickers are so expensive.
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Old September 4th, 2012, 06:49 PM   #4228
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Don't think stickers are so expensive.
Tracking all the wrong signs in the whole network, sending people to apply them, closing down lanes... it's not so simple.

And maybe after a year or so UNECE decides to change all the designations again, as it already did many times in the past. Not worth it.
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Old September 4th, 2012, 06:50 PM   #4229
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Looks messy. Look at the Belgian signs, they keep on adding and removing things...
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Old September 4th, 2012, 07:23 PM   #4230
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Tracking all the wrong signs in the whole network, sending people to apply them, closing down lanes... it's not so simple.

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Other places manage it.
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Old September 4th, 2012, 07:31 PM   #4231
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Italians are quite capable to navigate our network. Why aren't you? It seems to me rather straightforward. Just follow the city direction
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Other places manage it.
Other places are not on the verge of bankrupt.
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Old September 4th, 2012, 07:52 PM   #4233
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A few stickers won't force Autostrada per l'Italia into bankruptcy.

The Italian signage is usually one the most discussed and lamented one in Europe. There's certainly room for improvement.
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Italians are quite capable to navigate our network. Why aren't you? It seems to me rather straightforward. Just follow the city direction
I have no problems with Italian motorway signs, they do the job as far as I'm concerned. The blue local ones would be ok, if they don't put so many of them on one row.
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Italians are quite capable to navigate our network. Why aren't you? It seems to me rather straightforward. Just follow the city direction
I haven't tried to navigate your network; I'm just expressing an opinion of the signs I've seen, on this site and elsewhere. I thought we were allowed to do that. No need to take it as an attack on your national honor, or to suggest I'm intellectually limited.

THAT SAID,
it's not only Italians that are using your roads. Maintaining route numbers that are 30 years out of date (30 years!) is unhelpful, to put it mildly, to foreigners who aren't familiar with your route nicknames and are naďvely expecting the signs to actually match their road maps, and posting route numbers in that tiny font on autostrade is pointless.
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Other places are not on the verge of bankrupt.
Some are....
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Tell them to come over and pay for improvements, they're more than welcome.
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Tell them to come over and pay for improvements, they're more than welcome.
How much money does Italy get from the EU?
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How much money does Italy get from the EU?
And how much does Italy give to the EU?
And what has this to do with anything?
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How much money does Italy get from the EU?
Less than what it dumps in,actually, and just for being told how to make chocolate without cocoa and wine with sugar. Some cointries rely on numbering, others on terminal cities. You blend in. When visiting the UK I do not insist negotiating roundabouts counter-clockwise. Quite pointless now, anyway. Anybody and his mother has a satnav nowadays.
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