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Old September 8th, 2012, 12:24 AM   #4281
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The real problem in some countries is the lack of traffic law enforcements.
In Italy accident rate dropped in the last decade since driving licence points, suspension of license for more violations, breathanalizers and speed cameras had been introduced.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 12:32 AM   #4282
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The Spanish fatality rate dropped phenomenally during the autovía boom of the 1990s and early 2000s.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 12:33 AM   #4283
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Not always. Plenty of reckless overtaking and undertaking on motorways in places where there is hardly or no lane discipline, high volumes of traffic and where roadrage is a way of life. In Italy for example.
just got back from Rovereto (Trento), tired from all the lane hogging on La serenissima...
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Old September 8th, 2012, 01:21 AM   #4284
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Whatever the degree of civilization in a country, if the law is not enforced, there will be a certain percentage of people systematically not respecting the laws.

I don't know the actual situation in Italy, but I expect that system of electronic control of speed (Tutor?) to drastically reduce the law violations in matter of speed limits.

Introducing systematically traffic cameras (and sending fines by mail to drivers violating the laws) has resulted in an incredible discipline in traffic in some Western European countries.

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Old September 8th, 2012, 01:34 AM   #4285
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Whatever the degree of civilization in a country, if the law is not enforced, there will be a certain percentage of people systematically not respecting the laws.

I don't know the actual situation in Italy, but I expect that system of electronic control of speed (Tutor?) to drastically reduce the law violations in matter of speed limits.

Introducing systematically traffic cameras (and sending fines by mail to drivers violating the laws) has resulted in an incredible discipline in traffic in some Western European countries.

"There are no civilized nations.
There are fined nations."
Absolutely true, very civilized countries are so because laws had always been enforced there and people are used to accept and respect them. A society made entirely by honest people that can work without enforcement is pure utopy.

BTW, Tutor in Italy is only on (some, now most) motorways. It measures the average speed on a long section.
On normal roads it's called Autovelox and it measures only the instant spees.
The number of people driving 150+ on motorways is much lower than in the past when there were no controls.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 10:20 AM   #4286
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There's a difference between speeding and reckless driving.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 10:23 AM   #4287
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Not much. Speeding can be a form of reckless driving.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 10:25 AM   #4288
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just got back from Rovereto (Trento), tired from all the lane hogging on La serenissima...
Funny enough, the worst offenders in that part of the world are not always Italians, but Germans.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 05:08 PM   #4289
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Not much. Speeding can be a form of reckless driving.
There's speeding, and speeding. The nationwide 55 mph we had here from about 1973 to 87, as a "fuel-conservation measure," was about as respected as you'd expect it to be.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 05:20 PM   #4290
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There's speeding, and speeding. The nationwide 55 mph we had here from about 1973 to 87, as a "fuel-conservation measure," was about as respected as you'd expect it to be.
In Italy the first motorway speed limits were introduced in 1973 for the same reason.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 05:41 PM   #4291
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There's speeding, and speeding. The nationwide 55 mph we had here from about 1973 to 87, as a "fuel-conservation measure," was about as respected as you'd expect it to be.
That wouldn't be reckless. But if someone decided to do 130 in the Main Street of Mayrhofen, with a lot of tourists wandering down the road, we would call that pretty, er, reckless.

If there are 3 lanes of motorway, with traffic in all lanes doing 30, and you try to squeeze in doing 100, apart from being bloody stupid, you'd also be classified as a reckless driver.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 11:34 PM   #4292
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TUTOR is an awesome and sensible system to enforce speed without becoming just a hassle or a danger (people suddenly breaking way below the limit near the speed trap and then accelerating way above it after).
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Old September 8th, 2012, 11:40 PM   #4293
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Average speed check?
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Old September 9th, 2012, 12:19 AM   #4294
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Average speed check?
Yes, in a section of some km. So don't worry if you drive at 140 for few seconds and the rest at 125.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 12:40 AM   #4295
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My pics of the A15 (Autocamionale della Cisa), section between Fornovo and Aulla, southbound










Borgotaro exit




Just cause there isn't enough space, why not to use the emergency lane too...


Tugo Ovest rest area






Approaching Valico Tunnel... there's a little surprise behind the bend...


...a just happened crash, with the car in the middle of the lane!


Sun is shining in the other side of the tunnel






Aulla exit
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Old September 9th, 2012, 01:30 AM   #4296
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Interesting photos, we don't see A15 often.

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BTW, Tutor in Italy is only on (some, now most) motorways. It measures the average speed on a long section.
What if you drive for just a few kilometres?
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Old September 9th, 2012, 01:39 AM   #4297
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Interesting photos, we don't see A15 often.

What if you drive for just a few kilometres?
It depends by the average in the measured section.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 01:56 AM   #4298
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Interesting photos, we don't see A15 often.
Thanks, in the next days I'll post the pics of the northbound too
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Old September 9th, 2012, 02:31 AM   #4299
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