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Old September 16th, 2012, 11:45 PM   #4401
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Is lights on compulsory, even during daytime? That makes no sense at all...
Extensive research has shown the peripheral vision catches a pair of headlights much better than a moving car. It also helps pedestrians to better assess the distance and speed of a car.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 11:54 PM   #4402
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Is lights on compulsory, even during daytime? That makes no sense at all...
Technically speaking headlights are mandatory during daytime only outside city limits. Inside cities only sidelights (is that the correct definition?) are mandatory at daytime.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 11:56 PM   #4403
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Interesting. I don't like lights on other cars during daytime. Headlights on a sunny day are too bright, and sometimes the brake lights are much harder to see when normal lights are on.

I never drive with lights on during daytime, when it's not raining or dark weather or a dark area.

Turns out I offended the law in Italy then this summer, I didn't always turn on my headlights. Most of the time they were on anyway, due to the amount of tunnels in our area.

Thanks all for the info by the way!
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Old September 16th, 2012, 11:59 PM   #4404
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and sometimes the brake lights are much harder to see when normal lights are on.
Although I don't agree with the rest of your post, and assuming you comply with the regulations of the country you drive in, the above statement is certainly true.
New models of car are increasingly differentiating between rear lights and brake lights (third light, different hue, led vs. lamp) so it's getting harder and harder to get confused.

EDIT: I wrote before you completed your post with informations, sorry.
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Old September 17th, 2012, 03:31 PM   #4405
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I took this pic in Pisa, probabily one of the most confusing ZTL roadsign I saw


The problem is that is located on a oneway street after a blind turn. Before to turn on this street isn't signed you're entry in a restricted zone. If a driver, maybe not expert to drive in Pisa should turn on this street, either goes forward (getting surely fined) or backing (a maneuver maybe tolerated, even also cause the street is short but however it would against law). I ask myself, what sense has to put the control access and the sign in the end of the street? Wasn't better to put them in the beginning of the street? Italian mysteries....
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Old September 18th, 2012, 08:43 PM   #4406
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One question, are superstradas (like Siena - Firenze) tolled or not?? There are some articles on Wikipedia, but no further informations?
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Old September 18th, 2012, 08:55 PM   #4407
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No, they aren't.
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Old September 18th, 2012, 09:38 PM   #4408
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One question, are superstradas (like Siena - Firenze) tolled or not?? There are some articles on Wikipedia, but no further informations?
First tolled superstrada will be Pedemontana Veneta (Montecchio Maggiore-Spresiano), currently under construction: it will not open before 2016.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 12:54 AM   #4409
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I like this part of Bologna

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bologna tangenziale par d.hofburg, sur Flickr
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Old September 19th, 2012, 12:59 AM   #4410
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You can find here some recent pictures I took from the SS49 from the border with Austria till San Candido/Innichen

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...91&postcount=4
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Old September 19th, 2012, 03:44 AM   #4411
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I like this part of Bologna
It is nice, though lanes are a bit too narrow. I'd rather have a stacked highway there (express lanes A1 => A14 running elevated over local highway lanes).
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Old September 19th, 2012, 08:42 AM   #4412
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Are you a fan of Chicago? (city, not the band)
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Old September 19th, 2012, 08:46 AM   #4413
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Great town! Pity about the winters....

(But I wonder how many tourists come to Italy to see its elevated urban expressways....)
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Old September 19th, 2012, 08:51 AM   #4414
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That why I was wondering about Chicago.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 11:36 AM   #4415
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Old September 19th, 2012, 04:10 PM   #4416
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I like this part of Bologna
I don't
Last time I was there (last weekend) there were 20 km of queues both in tangenziale and autostrada

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It is nice, though lanes are a bit too narrow. I'd rather have a stacked highway there (express lanes A1 => A14 running elevated over local highway lanes).
There is a project to convert all this stretch, where autostrada runs beside the tangenziale, into 4+4 tangenziale, by building a North Passante (much alike Passante di Mestre):


http://corrieredibologna.corriere.it...48336909.shtml

It's a nice project but it has two major flaws:
1- it's too long (32 vs 18 km)
2- It's not so easy to go from east (Rimini) to south (Florence). Now there is dedicated branch of A14 linking Bologna North and Bologna-Casalecchio. With the new passante, one will have to go to the normal stretch of A14 towards Milan and, once near A1, do an almost 180° turn Southeast.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 04:40 PM   #4417
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That is the general problem with such projects. From a network point of view, a new motorway is not necessary, because there is no missing link. The main objective of this arc is to relieve A14 from through traffic, however it is quite a long detour, and likely only useful in cases of congestion on A14, otherwise it would be pretty empty.

What you really want is more capacity on the existing motorway, but that is likely not possible without large-scale expropriation. A southern ring road close to the city would be more useful, but prohibitively expensive because much of it would have to be underground.

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Old September 19th, 2012, 04:57 PM   #4418
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What you really want is more capacity on the existing motorway, but that is likely not possible without large-scale expropriation. A southern ring road close to the city would be more useful, but prohibitively expensive because much of it would have to be underground.

Precisely.
I don't think expropriation would be a big problem. You *could* build the passante North nearer to the existing stretch, the problem however is Bologna Airport, which is adjacent to A14 and just beside the junction A14-west/A14-south/A14-east. So a large detour in that area is necessary.
Another solution could be a nearer passante with a tunnel just below the airport to connect to the existing branches. Costs would be difficult to justify, though.
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Old September 19th, 2012, 06:46 PM   #4419
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Bologna inner ringroad looks like that of Brussels. In Brussels they think it looks like a heart.
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Bologna inner ringroad looks like that of Brussels. In Brussels they think it looks like a heart.
Ahah, I've lived there for 12 years and never realized that.
In Bologna they're called "i viali" (the boulevards), and are notorious for their "nightlife". So if someone says "tonight I'm going to the boulevards", that means he is searching for... payed company... And if that someone is a girl... she's offering
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