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Old September 20th, 2012, 09:16 PM   #4441
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Conflict of interest in Italy is the rule, not the exception...
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Old September 20th, 2012, 11:13 PM   #4442
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Reminds me of my homeland
You guys blend in like no-one else, in fact.
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Old September 21st, 2012, 12:42 AM   #4443
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I remember that the opening of the "Corda Molle" (new motorway near Brescia) was posticipated of several days just because a certain politician couldn't be present at the ceremony

The RO - VI - TN would be useful and I doubt the fact that 3 powerful Italian politicians were from there was the real origin and only motivation of that project.

Howevers there are other similar stories about Italian motorways. The A1 make a big loop approaching the town of Arezzo. There are rumors that Amintore Fanfani, an important Italian politician of the post-war period, drawed a line on the map of the project to made the motorway passing near his town, Arezzo, instead of going straight from Florence to Rome.

The A29 in western Sicily has many curves even in flat areas where they aren't needed. There are rumors that they chosed that weird route to avoid mafia bosses' properties. This fact is documented in 'I Cento Passi', the movie about Giuseppe Impastato, a journalist murdered by mafia in 1978.
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Old September 21st, 2012, 12:59 AM   #4444
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The A29 in western Sicily has many curves even in flat areas where they aren't needed. There are rumors that they chosed that weird route to avoid mafia bosses' properties. This fact is documented in 'I Cento Passi', the movie about Giuseppe Impastato, a journalist murdered by mafia in 1978.
Well this is not surprising at all if you think that the airport of Palermo, the third of Southern Italy for importance, was built in Cinisi according to the indication of the mafia boss Gaetano Badalamenti to better control the export of drug to the United States
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Old September 21st, 2012, 02:07 AM   #4445
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Well this is not surprising at all if you think that the airport of Palermo, the third of Southern Italy for importance, was built in Cinisi according to the indication of the mafia boss Gaetano Badalamenti to better control the export of drug to the United States
Yes, the movie is also about the airport. The airport was already built in those years but there was a project to enlarge it. The mafia and the local autorities (corrupted and colluded with mafia) wanted this project but local people didn't. There was a huge popular demostration against the airport that was repressed by the corrupt police with harsh methods. Giuseppe Impastato, a young jornalist from Cinisi, neighbour of the boss Gaetano Baladamenti set up with some friends a private radio where they spoke about the mafia problems and political corruption in their town. Giuseppe Impastato encountered a lot of opposition not just from mafia but also from the political personalities and even police forces of the town. When he candidated himself for the municipal elections, the boss Baladamenti ordered his murder. He was kidnapped and killed with plastic explosive in a remote area in Cinisi countryside, the night of 9 May 1978, the same day Aldo Moro was murdered.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old September 26th, 2012, 02:16 PM   #4446
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The RO - VI - TN would be useful and I doubt the fact that 3 powerful Italian politicians were from there was the real origin and only motivation of that project.
The three towns were already connected by motorway, although not as straight. If you look at the map, Vicenza-Rovigo motorway is 100% useless, since it is parallel (and very close to) the existing A13.

Be as it may, first section of A31 south opened last saturday:

http://www.nuovavicenza.it/2012/09/v...smo-per-nulla/
(Valdastico south, much ado about nothing)
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Old September 26th, 2012, 03:53 PM   #4447
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A20 Messina-Palermo

next Milazzo and Falcone

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Visuale dall'alto, siamo nei pressi dello svincolo di Milazzo (lato Messina):
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lato Palermo
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svincolo di Milazzo
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Barcellona-Falcone all'altezza di Terme Vigliatore
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Ponte sullo Stretto di Messina - Prima parte
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Old September 26th, 2012, 03:58 PM   #4448
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Is it me, or are the lane markings longer then in the rest if the country?
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Old September 26th, 2012, 04:28 PM   #4449
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Is it me, or are the lane markings longer then in the rest if the country?
Don't think so. Maybe it's just that you're used to see them at speed.
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Old September 26th, 2012, 04:36 PM   #4450
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Perhaps. I have always liked Italian lane markings. Shorts and close to each other. Makes a change to the Austrian ones: ridiculously long. Longer than an average length of a car, even on the b-roads.
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Old September 27th, 2012, 10:30 PM   #4451
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An interesting video of BreBeMi works as seen from small plane (camera angles are a bit weird though):

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Old September 27th, 2012, 10:51 PM   #4452
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This is an influence of Youtube antishaking system which can produce really strange motion.

To the motorway, it is interesting how expensive object they make for otherwise flat motorway. And I see lack of overpasses, just very large underpasses. If that would be built in 1980's standard, this would be surely made at half price.
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Old September 28th, 2012, 12:08 AM   #4453
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This is an influence of Youtube antishaking system which can produce really strange motion.

To the motorway, it is interesting how expensive object they make for otherwise flat motorway. And I see lack of overpasses, just very large underpasses. If that would be built in 1980's standard, this would be surely made at half price.
This is done in order to mitigate the impact on the landscape. They did the same in the Passante di Mestre.

Here you can see a cut-and-cover tunnel near Preganziol:

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Old September 28th, 2012, 12:14 AM   #4454
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Cut hill on the A4 between Monfalcone and Duino, built in the early 70s. Now they would surely have built a tunnel or a cut-and-cover, to reduce the impact on the environment. One example is the new Catania - Siracusa motorway, with some 1km+ tunnels on a hilly (not mountanious) area.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old September 28th, 2012, 02:19 AM   #4455
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Monalcone?
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Old September 28th, 2012, 09:38 AM   #4456
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Monalcone?
Oops, just edited.

Freud would have said I made a lapsus linguae (lapsus keyboard in that case ).
Better if you don't know what mona means in this part of Italy.
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Old October 2nd, 2012, 04:29 PM   #4457
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Two autostrade in construction just received their formal designation.

Upgraded R17 Villesse-Gorizia will be known as A34.
"BreBeMi" Brescia-Milano has been called A35.
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Old October 2nd, 2012, 04:41 PM   #4458
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Do you have an official source?
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Old October 2nd, 2012, 04:51 PM   #4459
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Do you have an official source?
About Villesse-Gorizia:
http://ilpiccolo.gelocal.it/cronaca/...-a34-1.5405883

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Villesse-Gorizia junction will have a real autostrada name. Once works - which started 2 years ago - are completed, the road connectiong Isonzo river capital town to autostrada A4 will officially be called "A34 Villesse-Gorizia", taking over current denomination "R17".
"Autovie Venete" technicians met in Rome with officials from toponymy section of Aiscat, the company that groups all autostrade concessionaries.
Now it's up to the Infrastructures and Transportation Ministry. It's just a formality, since there are no problems with the denomination itself: it's just the next free slot after A33 Asti-Cuneo (not counting tangenziali, from A50 onwards, and autostrade around Rome, from A90 onwards).
No official news about BreBeMi, just this piece of interview with Francesco Bettoni, president of BreBeMi SpA:
http://www.stradeeautostrade.it/edic...php?id=9571002
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Thanks, interesting. I think this is a good development.
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