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Old October 4th, 2012, 12:09 PM   #4481
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Flemish Belgians don't know what to use. In Dutch it's snelweg, but some say autostrada, others call it autopiste...
What's it called in official Flemish documents?
"Snelweg" seems odd, much like "ordinateur" in French... a forced translation. But maybe it's just so to my latin ears...
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Old October 4th, 2012, 12:09 PM   #4482
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Some older people in the Netherlands also say "autobaan" (like Autobahn).
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Old October 4th, 2012, 12:13 PM   #4483
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What's it called in official Flemish documents?
"Snelweg" seems odd, much like "ordinateur" in French... a forced translation. But maybe it's just so to my latin ears...
Autosnelweg I think. Same as in the Netherlands. Translated it means autofastway.
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Old October 4th, 2012, 12:15 PM   #4484
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Some older people in the Netherlands also say "autobaan" (like Autobahn).
Yes, my uncle does. Rijksweg is also used.
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Old October 4th, 2012, 01:45 PM   #4485
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Rijksweg is also used.
Isn't it "state road"?
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Old October 4th, 2012, 02:17 PM   #4486
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Yes, something like that. Probably another name that has survived from our great grandfather's days.
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Old October 4th, 2012, 02:17 PM   #4487
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Very similar to Reichsautobahn... and we know why 'Reich' is not used anymore.

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in Turkish 'oto' means 'auto' (probably a phonetic adaptation to latin alphabet introduced in Turkey in 1928);
'otoyol' = 'auto road'
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Old October 4th, 2012, 06:13 PM   #4488
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Back in my childhood (1980's) the word 'autostrada' was heavily used in Hungary, too. And since the word 'strada' has no other meaning in our language, it was commonly shortened as 'strada', meaning a motorway, an autostrada (although in Italian this word has a much wider meaning).
In present Hungarian language the word 'autostrada' sounds old fashioned, we use the name 'autópálya' wich is a simple translation of 'Autobahn' (would be 'car track' in English). However the word 'autóút' which is a translation of 'autostrada' means an expressway in Hungary (a road signed by a white car in a blue rectangle).

Funny, as 'strada' means here a motorway, and 'super' means 'very good', when I first visited Italy and heard about a 'superstrada', I thought it would be a very good motorway :-)
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Old October 4th, 2012, 07:27 PM   #4489
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Yeah, superstrada sounds like an even better road than autostrada.
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Old October 4th, 2012, 07:39 PM   #4490
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I guess it's only super compared to a regular strada.
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Old October 4th, 2012, 07:46 PM   #4491
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I guess it's only super compared to a regular strada.
Off course!
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Old October 4th, 2012, 10:01 PM   #4492
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I guess it's only super compared to a regular strada.
meanwhile autostrada is only regular strada with autos.
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Old October 4th, 2012, 10:12 PM   #4493
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I think the term "autostrada" was coined when at that time, it was the only road type reserved specifically for "autos" (cars). Even though the pre-1950s autostrade did not have motorway standards. The term "autostrada" kind of grew with it to what it is today.
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Old October 4th, 2012, 11:02 PM   #4494
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I think the term "autostrada" was coined when at that time, it was the only road type reserved specifically for "autos" (cars).
Yes. More likely motor vehicles. In the early Italian "autostrade" motorcycles were allowed but no horse carriages or bicycles.
According to Wikipedia the toll between Milan and Varese in 1925 was:
- 9 lire for motos
- 12 lire for vehicles below 17hp
- 17 lire for vehicles between 17 and 26 hp
- 20 lire for vehicles above 26hp
- 40 lire for smaller buses
- 60 lire for larger buses
- 20% discount for a two-way ticket
In 1926 the AADT was 1115.
In 1923 in Italy there were 57.000 cars, 24.000 trucks and 2.685 buses.
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Old October 5th, 2012, 12:51 AM   #4495
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Very similar to Reichsautobahn... and we know why 'Reich' is not used anymore.

By the way:
in Turkish 'oto' means 'auto' (probably a phonetic adaptation to latin alphabet introduced in Turkey in 1928);
'otoyol' = 'auto road'
I also herd otoban!

Another interesting word is karayol, black road i.e. paved with asphalt. Like blacktop.
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Old October 5th, 2012, 12:54 AM   #4496
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Back in my childhood (1980's) the word 'autostrada' was heavily used in Hungary, too. And since the word 'strada' has no other meaning in our language, it was commonly shortened as 'strada', meaning a motorway, an autostrada (although in Italian this word has a much wider meaning).
In present Hungarian language the word 'autostrada' sounds old fashioned, we use the name 'autópálya' wich is a simple translation of 'Autobahn' (would be 'car track' in English). However the word 'autóút' which is a translation of 'autostrada' means an expressway in Hungary (a road signed by a white car in a blue rectangle).

Funny, as 'strada' means here a motorway, and 'super' means 'very good', when I first visited Italy and heard about a 'superstrada', I thought it would be a very good motorway :-)
From the Latin "strata" which literally means "layers" since a roman road was buillt in layers. First gravel, then cobbles, than sand and slabs on top. So you have street, straat, strasse and so on.
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Old October 8th, 2012, 01:40 AM   #4497
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Some pics I took on the A23 between Udine nord and the Austrian border







Not always the right lane is annoying!




Tagliamento river






Lago tunnel (1,5km)


Viaduct above Cavazzo lake (unfortunaltely you cannot see the lake from a car but only from a bus\truck).














Pontebba exit. This junction is very complicated and has impressive viaductsb because of the very harsh terrain.




roadworks


Tarvisio sud. Last exit in Italy




No more queues, thanks Schengen


Willkommen in Osterreich!


Tomorrow pics of the trip will countinue on the Austrian thread.

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Old October 8th, 2012, 02:05 AM   #4498
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Beautiful motorway, as always. "VERKAUF/SALE" - Austrians could at least add Italian as well (vendita).
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Old October 8th, 2012, 02:19 AM   #4499
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Beautiful motorway, as always. "VERKAUF/SALE" - Austrians could at least add Italian as well (vendita).
Yes, but this place is a sort of emergency stop for the vignette, if you did forget before. Most people coming from Italy buy it at Fella Autogrill near Tarvisio or even before.
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Old October 8th, 2012, 02:36 AM   #4500
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I stop at that autogrill every time.

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Viaduct above Cavazzo lake (unfortunaltely you cannot see the lake from a car but only from a bus\truck).
(you can see it from opposite direction)

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Pontebba exit. This junction is very complicated and has impressive viaductsb because of the very harsh terrain.


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actually, I think terrain is not hard, it's just that Italians like to put everything on viaducts. valley is more wide there.
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