daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Highways & Autobahns

Highways & Autobahns All about automobility



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old November 9th, 2012, 02:24 PM   #4541
F81
Registered User
 
F81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Torino
Posts: 1,080
Likes (Received): 43

Also in France, but they have nicer speed limit posting, which states clearly 130 and 110 with rain.
F81 no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old November 9th, 2012, 03:25 PM   #4542
cinxxx
I ♥ Timişoara
 
cinxxx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: München
Posts: 22,259
Likes (Received): 18308

Ups! I thought only there digital signs with 110 appeared.
There were also with text to drive slower.
On some portions were the rain was not so strong you could drive safely 130, on others only 90-100. I also followed the locals, but a little slower
I hope I won't get a letter in my mail from Italy
cinxxx no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 9th, 2012, 07:27 PM   #4543
x-type
con los terroristas
 
x-type's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Bjelovar [HR]
Posts: 13,472
Likes (Received): 3446

Italian motorways have generally excellent quality of asphalt. among the best in the Europe. i have never been in NL, probably they are in the top, but Italy is definitely in TOP3.
__________________
Svaki dan sanjam autobahn...
x-type no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 9th, 2012, 08:25 PM   #4544
italystf
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 6,460
Likes (Received): 2186

Quote:
Originally Posted by x-type
Italian motorways have generally excellent quality of asphalt. among the best in the Europe. i have never been in NL, probably they are in the top, but Italy is definitely in TOP3.
Autostrade S.p.A. and other motorways company repaved large parts of our network with draining asphalt in the last few years.
Only highways managed by ANAS and CAS (Sicily) are poorly maintained.
__________________
“The transponder’s personalised signal would be picked up when the car passed through an intersection, and then relayed to a central computer which would calculate the charge according to the intersection and the time of day and add it to the car’s bill” - Nobel Economics Prize winner William Vickrey, proposing a system of electronic tolling for the Washington metropolitan area, 1959
In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
italystf no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 10th, 2012, 12:44 AM   #4545
hofburg
middle lane hogger
 
hofburg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Nova Gorica
Posts: 3,270
Likes (Received): 464

yes, Italy can do this because of mild climate.
hofburg no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 10th, 2012, 06:39 AM   #4546
Suburbanist
on the road
 
Suburbanist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: the rain capital of Europe
Posts: 27,536
Likes (Received): 21248

Quote:
Originally Posted by hofburg View Post
yes, Italy can do this because of mild climate.
Mild climate?

Soaking rain for days in a row from Oct-Dec on the South and Center, freezing in the north, scorching heat on summer...
__________________
YIMBY - Yes, in my backyard!
Suburbanist no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 10th, 2012, 11:24 AM   #4547
Fabri88
Keratoconic User
 
Fabri88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: BUSTO ARSIZIO
Posts: 6,840
Likes (Received): 2201

Quote:
Originally Posted by hofburg View Post
yes, Italy can do this because of mild climate.
Location: Nova Gorica

Almost Italy: you know how's the climate in the North!

We spread from some days with -15°C in winter to some days with +35°C in summer.

A thermal excursion of 50°C!

I agree: Italian motorways asphalt is very good! One of the few good things we have.
__________________
CLINCHED COUNTRIES:
Belgique/België • Česká Republika • Deutschland • Eire • England • Espańa • Italia
Magyarorszag • Österreich • Polska • România • San Marino • Schweiz/Suisse/Svizzera/Svizra • Slovenija

YES TO THE UNITED STATES OF EUROPE ♥ FREEDOM FOR NORTH KOREA
STOP SYRIAN AND IRAQI GENOCIDE ♥ SUPPORT FEMINISM AND FEMALE EDUCATION
Fabri88 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 10th, 2012, 11:43 PM   #4548
hofburg
middle lane hogger
 
hofburg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Nova Gorica
Posts: 3,270
Likes (Received): 464

yes, I know. days with below 0°C are very rare. with snow even less. as far as I know porous asphalt removes water from the surface, if that water freezes, its volume increases and causes damage to the asphalt.

mild climate might not be the best word, just wanted to say that it's never too cold.
hofburg no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 11th, 2012, 07:18 PM   #4549
Eddard Stark
Keep your head
 
Eddard Stark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Bruxelles
Posts: 13,150
Likes (Received): 3834

Quote:
Originally Posted by hofburg View Post
yes, I know. days with below 0°C are very rare. with snow even less. as far as I know porous asphalt removes water from the surface, if that water freezes, its volume increases and causes damage to the asphalt.

mild climate might not be the best word, just wanted to say that it's never too cold.
Days below 0 are very rare?

Every single morning in north Italy is below zero for months usually.

And let us not even talk about those beautiful mountain highways we have got like A23, A1, A24-25 which get doses of snow that in central europe no highway gets
Eddard Stark no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 11th, 2012, 07:35 PM   #4550
Suburbanist
on the road
 
Suburbanist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: the rain capital of Europe
Posts: 27,536
Likes (Received): 21248

Has anyone driven on the (in)famous SS3-bis recently?

It has been a while since I last drove there, I would like to know how never-ending works are .
__________________
YIMBY - Yes, in my backyard!
Suburbanist no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 11th, 2012, 08:27 PM   #4551
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,507
Likes (Received): 2114

Quote:
Originally Posted by Suburbanist View Post
Has anyone driven on the (in)famous SS3-bis recently?

It has been a while since I last drove there, I would like to know how never-ending works are .
I drove there most recently this September, southbound. Neverending works are really never-ending, there were a lot of long carriageway closures. Recently one long viaduct was completed, not sure actually which one. Beware speed traps, I got a ticket for doing 97 (limit is 90 for the whole length, at least the mountain one I think that south of Cittŕ di Castello limit is 110 but I'm not sure).
g.spinoza no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 11th, 2012, 08:34 PM   #4552
hofburg
middle lane hogger
 
hofburg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Nova Gorica
Posts: 3,270
Likes (Received): 464

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddard Stark View Post
Days below 0 are very rare?

Every single morning in north Italy is below zero for months usually.

And let us not even talk about those beautiful mountain highways we have got like A23, A1, A24-25 which get doses of snow that in central europe no highway gets
A23 doesn't have porous asphalt. mornings around zero happen, but that doesn't mean road surface freezes.
hofburg no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 11th, 2012, 08:42 PM   #4553
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,507
Likes (Received): 2114

Quote:
Originally Posted by hofburg View Post
A23 doesn't have porous asphalt. .
Are you sure about this? That seems odd.
g.spinoza no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 11th, 2012, 08:46 PM   #4554
hofburg
middle lane hogger
 
hofburg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Nova Gorica
Posts: 3,270
Likes (Received): 464

http://www.autostrade.it/en/assisten...initPosAra=3_3

I corrrect myself, it has in its southern part.
hofburg no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 11th, 2012, 08:50 PM   #4555
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,507
Likes (Received): 2114

Quote:
Originally Posted by hofburg View Post
http://www.autostrade.it/en/assisten...initPosAra=3_3

I corrrect myself, it has in its southern part.
Usually this kind of asphalt is not used when slopes are more than (or around) 3%.
g.spinoza no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 11th, 2012, 08:56 PM   #4556
hofburg
middle lane hogger
 
hofburg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Nova Gorica
Posts: 3,270
Likes (Received): 464

why?
hofburg no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 11th, 2012, 09:30 PM   #4557
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,507
Likes (Received): 2114

Quote:
Originally Posted by hofburg View Post
why?
My best guess is because water flows down high slope surfaces, it never gets stagnant and doesn't have the chance to form puddles where car tires can slide.
g.spinoza no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 11th, 2012, 10:35 PM   #4558
italystf
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 6,460
Likes (Received): 2186

Quote:
Originally Posted by g.spinoza

I drove there most recently this September, southbound. Neverending works are really never-ending, there were a lot of long carriageway closures. Recently one long viaduct was completed, not sure actually which one. Beware speed traps, I got a ticket for doing 97 (limit is 90 for the whole length, at least the mountain one I think that south of Cittŕ di Castello limit is 110 but I'm not sure).
Is the Verghereto tunnel open now? I went there in 2010 and we were routed through the steep pass. I remember horrible pavement almost all the way from Perugia to Ravenna.
Quote:
Originally Posted by g.spinoza

Usually this kind of asphalt is not used when slopes are more than (or around) 3%.
There is no draining asphalt on the mountain section of the A23 because during the cold winter it would get damaged. When water inside holes freezes, it increases its volume breaking the asphalt.
__________________
“The transponder’s personalised signal would be picked up when the car passed through an intersection, and then relayed to a central computer which would calculate the charge according to the intersection and the time of day and add it to the car’s bill” - Nobel Economics Prize winner William Vickrey, proposing a system of electronic tolling for the Washington metropolitan area, 1959
In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
italystf no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 11th, 2012, 10:43 PM   #4559
hofburg
middle lane hogger
 
hofburg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Nova Gorica
Posts: 3,270
Likes (Received): 464

Quote:
Originally Posted by italystf View Post
There is no draining asphalt on the mountain section of the A23 because during the cold winter it would get damaged. When water inside holes freezes, it increases its volume breaking the asphalt.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hofburg View Post
as far as I know porous asphalt removes water from the surface, if that water freezes, its volume increases and causes damage to the asphalt.
thank you!

is there a precise map of presence of draining asphalt on italian motorways up-to-date?
hofburg no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 12th, 2012, 10:18 AM   #4560
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,507
Likes (Received): 2114

Quote:
Originally Posted by italystf View Post
Is the Verghereto tunnel open now? I went there in 2010 and we were routed through the steep pass. I remember horrible pavement almost all the way from Perugia to Ravenna.
Yes it's open, but if I remember correctly only one bi-directional tunnel.

Quote:
There is no draining asphalt on the mountain section of the A23 because during the cold winter it would get damaged. When water inside holes freezes, it increases its volume breaking the asphalt.
Possibly, but on A14 for example there are some section in Abruzzo where there are these signs saying "beginning of 3% slope - end of section with draining asphalt", and vice versa: "end of 3% slope - beginning of section with draining asphalt", as if the two things are connected.
g.spinoza no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
autobahn, autostrada, highways, italia, italy, motorways

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 02:48 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium