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Old November 12th, 2012, 12:22 PM   #4561
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http://www.autostrade.it/en/assisten...initPosAra=3_3

I corrrect myself, it has in its southern part.
The English version of the site www.autostrade.it is old the newer version for "draining asphalt" can be found at http://www.autostrade.it/assistenza-...initPosAra=3_3.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 11:38 PM   #4562
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too bad there is no map in italian version.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 12:54 PM   #4563
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yes, I know. days with below 0°C are very rare. with snow even less. as far as I know porous asphalt removes water from the surface, if that water freezes, its volume increases and causes damage to the asphalt.

mild climate might not be the best word, just wanted to say that it's never too cold.
So, on A27 Mestre-Belluno, there's the drainig asphalt only between Vittorio Veneto sud/south-Mestre

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Old November 13th, 2012, 01:34 PM   #4564
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Due to heavy rains, many places in central Italy have been flooded. Autostrada A1 near Orvieto has been closed (first picture is quite impressive):

http://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/201...ta-46536128/1/

a bridge on provincial road, over river Albegna, collapsed killing three.

http://corrierefiorentino.corriere.i...245126.shtml#1


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Old November 13th, 2012, 03:16 PM   #4565
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Here is webcam : http://www.autostrade.it/autostrade/...a.do?tlc=97721 It may take long time to retrieve this situation.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 03:35 PM   #4566
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Who knows when A1 Milano - Modena - Bologna was widened to 2x3 lanes? According to Google Earth imagery, the entire route was already 2x3 lanes wide since at least 2003. Modena - Bologna was further widened to 2x4 lanes in 2006.
Maybe in '80s, I actually don't know. But as far as I can remember I never saw it with two lanes (or at least, I don't remember)

Anyway the very first stretch in Milan was not widened.
They just built another stretch (in connection with West and East bypass) few hundreds meters West the orignal stretch.

The old stretch was refurbished and allows the access to Metanopoli district.

http://it.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=45.4...=h&form=LMLTCC

http://it.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=rk21...=o&form=LMLTCC
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Old November 13th, 2012, 05:32 PM   #4567
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http://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/201...te-46371743/1/
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Old November 15th, 2012, 12:01 AM   #4568
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... and new waterfalls:

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Old November 16th, 2012, 11:23 AM   #4569
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A couple of videos from A3 Salerno-Reggio Calabria works:





Don't mind the statement "ready in 2013", it's not realistic. 2016 is more like it, for stretches now u/c. 2025 is more realistic for the whole autostrada.
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Old November 16th, 2012, 01:52 PM   #4570
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I never noticed that tha anas logo was a winged bog-roll.
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Old November 16th, 2012, 05:03 PM   #4571
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Has someone ever used this unsigned route to get into Trieste from the RA13?
http://maps.google.it/maps?saddr=Via...sz=16&t=m&z=16
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Old November 16th, 2012, 05:05 PM   #4572
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That route is illegal if you come from SR58 from the west. You cannot make a right turn there.
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Old November 16th, 2012, 05:15 PM   #4573
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Yo can go a little further, drive on via del Sommacco inverting your rute and there you are.
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Old November 16th, 2012, 05:15 PM   #4574
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That route is illegal if you come from SR58 from the west. You cannot make a right turn there.
Sorry, I didn't noticed that prohibition. It makes absolutely no sense, like many signs on Italian roads. It's the first time I see it's forbidden to turn right from a main road.
However, even with this prohibition (that I suppose being widely ignored and unenforced), you can use this road in the opposite direction from Trieste center to the RA13. Or you can turn left to Via del Sommaco, made an U-turn and go straight down to Via dei Baiardi.

But the point is another: why this road doesn't appear on Google Street View while the rest of Trieste does?
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Old November 16th, 2012, 06:04 PM   #4575
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... and new waterfalls:

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This is a motorway or a single two-way road ?

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Old November 16th, 2012, 06:15 PM   #4576
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It's motorway A23.
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Old November 17th, 2012, 12:12 AM   #4577
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A couple of videos from A3 Salerno-Reggio Calabria works:

Don't mind the statement "ready in 2013", it's not realistic. 2016 is more like it, for stretches now u/c. 2025 is more realistic for the whole autostrada.
impressive! too bad for demolished viaducts. what is exactly the project on A3 south of Salerno?
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Old November 17th, 2012, 03:38 PM   #4578
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impressive! too bad for demolished viaducts. what is exactly the project on A3 south of Salerno?
They demolished to rebuilt them or work on realignments

The project is complete reconstruction.

A3 was built more as an expressway in the mid-1960s till early 1970s. Sharp curves, claustrophobic tunnels, hazardous exit and entry ramps.

A3 has more than 200 special works (viaducts, tunnels etc), including 4 of the highest 50 road bridges in the World.

They wanted to build a highway to connect the south of Italy. There were two possibilities, going with a highway on either coast (following existing SS-routes) and a few trans-peninsular links.

However, for a variety of reasons (politics, development, connecting places left without any transportation), they decided to build a road through the mountains. That is why it crosses the Polino national park at altitude 1300m and changes from small watershed to even smaller watershed through mountains all the way to Scilla.

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Fast forward mid 1990s, the route is deemed highly inadequate to modern standards, too many accidents etc. So they decide to rebuild the whole thing.

There are 6 major realignment sites, and 11 more (IIRC) "milder" straightening.

High viaducts/bridges (Italia, Sfassalà and others) were too narrow, 2 narrower than usual lanes, with no room to spare. So they are rebuilding many of the decks, usually enlarging it (modern techniques mean a wider deck can still hold on oversized pillions of the 1960s)

When completed, A3 will the simply the most impressive highway in Europe in terms of mountain works. Sure enough, no long tunnel like in the Alps, but HUNDREDS of bridges, tunnels etc.

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Here is an example of things that were done there http://goo.gl/maps/LmHrR: google maps shows the old alignment (abandoned/under removal operation) and the new one (marked as actual route).
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Old November 17th, 2012, 04:10 PM   #4579
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Old November 17th, 2012, 04:13 PM   #4580
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I hope something will be done also for the A30-A3 connection, which doesn't have modern standards too.
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