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Old November 23rd, 2012, 04:01 PM   #4601
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It would be interesting to know its AADT.
It would be interesting to know the AADT of all Italian motorways
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 04:08 PM   #4602
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Yes, the RA2 Avellino-Salerno is more similar to an expressway.

Does someone know the exact altitude of the highest point of the A3?
Here they say the highest point is 1017m (3336 ft) near Campotenese. The highest junction is the Campotenese, at 985m (3231 ft), as they say here.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 04:10 PM   #4603
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It would be interesting to know its AADT.
Quite low I guess. It's used mostly to reach Gorizia, since most of traffic between Venice and Ljubljana goes via Fernetti (it's faster).
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 04:40 PM   #4604
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But could that change over time? The route via the A34 is a bit shorter (two km, but still) and saves a bit of toll.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 05:07 PM   #4605
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I always preferred the route through Gorizia from Ljlubljana to Italy (even when the Slovenian expressways hasn't been built yet) so I drove Raccordo Gorizia - Villesse several times. The original road must have been refurbished, however, I, too, can't see the reason for upgrading it to a full profile motorway.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 05:51 PM   #4606
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But could that change over time? The route via the A34 is a bit shorter (two km, but still) and saves a bit of toll.
Depends if there is a high speed trap risk on the H4, that has 110 speed limit.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 06:13 PM   #4607
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Here they say the highest point is 1017m (3336 ft) near Campotenese. The highest junction is the Campotenese, at 985m (3231 ft), as they say here.
Thanks. I asked it because I read 1300 in some post and it seemed very unlikely to me.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 06:41 PM   #4608
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about RA17 - lorries prefer the route H4 (SLO)-RA17 (I) instead of A3 (SLO)-A4 (I). reason? i don't know really.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 07:39 PM   #4609
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Unless they widen it then it is way below spec for a motorway. I can see it in Streetview, there is no way that is a real motorway.
That's an old photo, before they started with reconstruction.

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The original road must have been refurbished, however, I, too, can't see the reason for upgrading it to a full profile motorway.
I wouldn't mind, if it were built without shoulders, but it was too narrow and the speed limit was just 80 km/h.
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That's an old photo, before they started with reconstruction.

I wouldn't mind, if it were built without shoulders, but it was too narrow and the speed limit was just 80 km/h.
It was so narrow because it was initially a 4-lane single carriaggeway and the concrete median was added later without widening the road.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 08:16 PM   #4611
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Yeah, I remember when it was a single carriageway.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 08:55 PM   #4612
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about RA17 - lorries prefer the route H4 (SLO)-RA17 (I) instead of A3 (SLO)-A4 (I). reason? i don't know really.
Guess because it saves a bit of toll, while lorries won't have the difference in vmax of remaining on the A4 to their advantage. 110 or 130 is irrelevant if you're a lorry...
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 09:18 PM   #4613
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Guess because it saves a bit of toll, while lorries won't have the difference in vmax of remaining on the A4 to their advantage. 110 or 130 is irrelevant if you're a lorry...
And toll difference is bigger for lorries.

Some years ago there was an idea to remove Villesse and Lisert toll plazas and build a new one between Palmanova and Villesse. It would made the Villesse - Trieste section toll free.
It would have solved the congestion problems in Trieste Lisert toll booth, that has few gates and there is no space for widening.
However, since the new A34 includes a new, wider, toll plaza in Villesse, this project will never be completed. Maybe because Autovie Venete would have lost toll revenues.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 10:01 PM   #4614
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Guess because it saves a bit of toll
For cars yes, but I think it's slightly more expensive for trucks.
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Guess because it saves a bit of toll, while lorries won't have the difference in vmax of remaining on the A4 to their advantage. 110 or 130 is irrelevant if you're a lorry...
it doesn't save a toll. let's take route Ljubljana - Portogruaro (as the part of the most used route from Slovenia to Italy). H4-RA17-A4 combination costs 38,70€, A3-A4 combination costs 36,00€
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 10:47 PM   #4616
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Today, 22nd November, at 18:00 (6pm) two small sections of new A34 (former RA17) are going to open. First section is the junction between current carriageway and the exit ramp "Sant'Andrea", for vehicles coming from Villesse towards Gorizia. Second section is autostrada proper in the same spot.

Lengths are not shown anywhere...
didn't see anything new today, except that expressway below Gorizia roundabout is phisicaly opened, but not finished.

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Yes. On the Slovenian side will remain the substandard expressway.
expressway is standard, motorway from Sempeter - Selo is substandard.

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It only lacks hard shoulders. With that low traffic they can be happy they have a 4-lane motorway/expressway at all.
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In fact I can't see the reason for widening the Italian side
there's a reason: I need it!

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But could that change over time? The route via the A34 is a bit shorter (two km, but still) and saves a bit of toll.
now, with the works going on, trucks via Gorizia instead of Fernetici are fewer. but Slovak registered trucks still prefer this route
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about RA17 - lorries prefer the route H4 (SLO)-RA17 (I) instead of A3 (SLO)-A4 (I). reason? i don't know really.
Because A4 (section from Trieste to Monfalcone) sometimes can be very congested (with big share of trucks), so drivers going from Slovenia to Italia prefer H4/RA17 to avoid traffic jams...
Anyway, what's going on with plans to widen A4 to 6 lanes up to Trieste?
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Old November 24th, 2012, 12:08 AM   #4618
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Because A4 (section from Trieste to Monfalcone) sometimes can be very congested (with big share of trucks), so drivers going from Slovenia to Italia prefer H4/RA17 to avoid traffic jams...
Anyway, what's going on with plans to widen A4 to 6 lanes up to Trieste?
https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=A...sz=13&t=m&z=11

this section being widened
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Old November 24th, 2012, 12:23 AM   #4619
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So after that section, there's still another ~120 km to go... Hope works will resume as planned
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Old November 24th, 2012, 12:31 AM   #4620
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So after that section, there's still another ~120 km to go... Hope works will resume as planned
Only till Villesse (A4-A34 junction) it will be widened.
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