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Old November 24th, 2012, 03:57 PM   #4621
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Here you can see some fresh foto's from RA17 ---> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...1022429&page=5

Now I think that 60% of transit goes via Fernetti, and around 40% goes via Vrtojba. But with brand new motorway Villesse-Gorizia, the percentage will change. I'm sure that trucks will prefer going via A34/H4. I'm also a truck driver, and I'm quite sure why will truckers prefer A34/H4... Because there is no overtaking ban for trucks.

Italstf: Is there any map or plan, how would be Villesse junction widened?
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Old November 24th, 2012, 04:35 PM   #4622
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Old November 24th, 2012, 06:52 PM   #4623
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it doesn't save a toll. let's take route Ljubljana - Portogruaro (as the part of the most used route from Slovenia to Italy). H4-RA17-A4 combination costs 38,70€, A3-A4 combination costs 36,00€
It costs less in fuel because of less kilometers and less ascents. Difference is small but enough for eastern European truck drivers.
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Old November 24th, 2012, 08:48 PM   #4624
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Keber maybe you are right, but I have several times masured time between Villesse and Razdrto before roadworks on RA17. And everytime I have spend 5-7 minutes less via Vrtojba. But its true that via Fernetti the road is more comfortable. I have measured with truck, going around 90 km/h. For me going with truck from IT-SLO the only obstacle on road via Vrtojba is shity toll station Bazara, once I have spend 25 minutes waiting there.
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Old November 24th, 2012, 09:30 PM   #4625
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Keber maybe you are right, but I have several times masured time between Villesse and Razdrto before roadworks on RA17. And everytime I have spend 5-7 minutes less via Vrtojba. But its true that via Fernetti the road is more comfortable. I have measured with truck, going around 90 km/h. For me going with truck from IT-SLO the only obstacle on road via Vrtojba is shity toll station Bazara, once I have spend 25 minutes waiting there.
There is another truck-only toll booth on the A1 after the junction with A3 towards LJ.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 12:08 AM   #4626
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There is another truck-only toll booth on the A1 after the junction with A3 towards LJ.
it is called Dane. but it has some more capacity than Vrtojba.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 12:20 AM   #4627
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There is another truck-only toll booth on the A1 after the junction with A3 towards LJ.
No toll booth Dane is on A3 not on A1, and its just before exit Sežana-east in direction Italy.
And as x-type says its quite bigger than Bazara...
Dane have 2 or 3 truck lines for exit, and 1 or 2 for entering.
Bazara have 1 truck line for each direction.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 12:51 AM   #4628
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Zerro i found some information page about toll booths on slo highways


Link:http://www.promet.si/portal/sl/goren...stni-krak.aspx
Link:http://www.promet.si/portal/en/1traffic-conditions.aspx
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Old November 25th, 2012, 12:50 PM   #4629
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Good job broccolli your first link is showing us photos of both toll booths (Dane,Bazara). I found that page too, but you were faster than me
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Old November 27th, 2012, 11:05 AM   #4630
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According to Autostrade per l'Italia, 3rd lane on A14 between Rimini nord and Cattolica will be opened to traffic on December 24th, 14 months ahead of schedule. The stretch is 26 km long, the major piece of engineering (Scacciano tunnel) has been already opened some months ago.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 04:42 PM   #4631
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Catania-Siracusa highway (Sicily)



by P. Minissale - Univ. Catania
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Old November 28th, 2012, 05:09 PM   #4632
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Catania-Siracusa highway (Sicily)


http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/...a-Siracusa.jpg
by P. Minissale - Univ. Catania
What's that round yellow sign under the name and the length of the bridge?
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Old November 28th, 2012, 06:31 PM   #4633
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What's that round yellow sign under the name and the length of the bridge?
Some military sign for bridges (for transport columns?) but I never understood them myself.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 12:28 AM   #4634
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Some military sign for bridges (for transport columns?) but I never understood them myself.
Military? Really? Now I'm even more curious!
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Military? Really? Now I'm even more curious!
Thank you anyway.
Cannot see what's written inside but I read somewhere that they indicate the max weight that a bridge can stand in case of transit of a military convoy.
I never expected they put them on a modern bridge, I though it was just a post WWII thing. The only one I know is on a bridge built in 1947 (the SS14 bridge over Stella river in Palazzolo, province of Udine).
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Old November 29th, 2012, 02:13 AM   #4636
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I found on the net this very ambition plan from 1988: a completely underground motorway connecting the exit of Prosecco with Trieste seaport, with many exits (in yellow) to reach different points of the city. In 2003 the cost was estimated in 1,5 billions €. Needless to say that it will never be built, it sounds similar to the Ancona - Zadar bridge



This would be the only visible (i.e. non underground) parts:


more details: http://www.dic.univ.trieste.it/prese...senta_Nord.htm

Fortunately, since 2008, there is already a motorway\expressway route (RA13+SS202) between Prosecco and Trieste port, although longer and external to the city.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 02:16 AM   #4637
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Old November 29th, 2012, 09:13 AM   #4638
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Cannot see what's written inside but I read somewhere that they indicate the max weight that a bridge can stand in case of transit of a military convoy.
I never expected they put them on a modern bridge, I though it was just a post WWII thing. The only one I know is on a bridge built in 1947 (the SS14 bridge over Stella river in Palazzolo, province of Udine).
Those signs are quite common in Germany... I never saw one in Italy.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 11:20 AM   #4639
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Cannot see what's written inside but I read somewhere that they indicate the max weight that a bridge can stand in case of transit of a military convoy.
Is it maybe near the US military base?
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Old November 29th, 2012, 01:55 PM   #4640
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Is it maybe near the US military base?
Yes, the (in)famous Sigonella air base.
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