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Old December 21st, 2012, 08:22 PM   #4761
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Works on Ceto-Berzo Demo stretch of C class road (superstrada 1+1) SS42, in the province of Brescia, have been completed. The stretch is more than 10 km long and major pieces of engineering here are two tunnels, "Sellero" (5074 m) and "Capo di Ponte" (1866 m). Works started in 2009 and the stretch will open in February 2013.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46...om=13&layers=M

http://www.lestradedellinformazione....colo11650.html
Some pictures (http://brescia.corriere.it/brescia/g...8e07.shtml#1):









Other pictures here:
http://www.giornaledibrescia.it/in-p...apre-1.1484129

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Old December 21st, 2012, 08:46 PM   #4762
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GREEN LINE : executive project or Work in progress
BLU LINE: definitive project
RED LINE: study or preliminary project

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Old December 21st, 2012, 08:49 PM   #4763
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I think the population density of the Po Valley should not be underestimated. While the larger cities are very pronounced, the countryside is only semi-rural in a large area, generating a lot of traffic while the only good roads are tolled motorways for long-distance traffic.

For instance Cremona province still has a population density of 210 inhabitants per km². Too low to be urban, but too high to be a quiet rural area.
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Old December 21st, 2012, 09:19 PM   #4764
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Almost 20 million people live in the ~50,000 sq km Po Valley...
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 12:32 AM   #4765
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Another opening today: new exit "Campotenese" on A3 Salerno-Reggio Calabria, highest junction of the whole motorway (985 m a.m.s.l.).
http://www.lestradedellinformazione....colo11639.html

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Old December 22nd, 2012, 11:17 AM   #4766
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Actual video (without the commercial) begins at 1:07
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 03:29 PM   #4767
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And other half of video is more or less blah blah blah of a typical slow-motion speaking Italian director of a state company.

I know some of them from some meetings I've attended.
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 10:08 PM   #4768
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you're right! and yes, slow-motion speaking but fast-motion eating at the buffet
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 12:12 AM   #4769
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best solution for extremly populated Po valley:

http://shrani.si/f/32/12w/2zoWWiO5/1.png

OMG. That's Milton Keynes!
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 01:07 AM   #4770
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I think Italy needed at least 2000km of new highways to have a decent network.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 11:40 AM   #4771
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I think Italy needed at least 2000km of new highways to have a decent network.
Well, I think Italy should treat superstrade like Austria treats its Schnellstraßen: they will show on maps and Italian network would start to make more sense, even to an unaccostumed eye.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 01:45 PM   #4772
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Well, I think Italy should treat superstrade like Austria treats its Schnellstraßen: they will show on maps and Italian network would start to make more sense, even to an unaccostumed eye.
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In most Italian road maps all non-motorways road with 4 or more lanes are signed in the same way, regardeless if they are de-facto motorways or undivided 4-lanes roads with at-grade intersections and low speed limits.
It's very difficult to calculate the exact lenght of our expressway network since many our SS or SR routes are partly normal roads and partly expressways. The Italian Wikipedia is relatively accurate on this aspect, I may try to sum up the lenght figures for every page related to an expressway-like road, but it would take very long and wouldn't be very precise.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 06:32 PM   #4773
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OTOH, the RA17 is usually shown as a motorway, so I thought it was a motorway until about ten years ago when I first drove there.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 07:44 PM   #4774
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OTOH, the RA17 is usually shown as a motorway, so I thought it was a motorway until about ten years ago when I first drove there.
Also RA3 and RA6 are signed as motorways even if they aren't. And RA15, that is a real motorway, is signed like a simple 4-lanes road.
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Old December 27th, 2012, 02:11 PM   #4775
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Maybe "around" Pescara, since it's quite busy there, but not from Pescara to Civitanova. There is never too much traffic there, although they could straighten some curvy stretches...
mmm I'd say that either smoothing or upgrading to a 3rd lane the A14 south of Pedaso or Porto Sant'Elpidio would be quite impratical, too many bridges and tunnels; and let's not foget the high slope on some parts.
Especially in the whole Abruzzo segment, which is the oldest piece of A14 built.
I think that building a complete variant of A14 in that case would be much more easier and cheaper.
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Old December 28th, 2012, 09:46 PM   #4776
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I tried to calculate the motorway-like roads in Italy. I took the roads that were shown on Google Maps as expressways plus the blue routes on this map

Is this realistic or does it exclude roads, or does it include roads that are nowhere near motorway-like? I don't mind to include some substandard urban expressways, but they need to have a somewhat higher speed limit and have divided carriageways and of course be entirely grade-separated.

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Old December 28th, 2012, 09:59 PM   #4777
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Old December 28th, 2012, 10:02 PM   #4778
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You are missing the Catanzaro-Lamezia expressway.

The expressay-grade sector of SS106 has been completed further south to Borgata Marina. A small sector of SS106 north of Crotone also has highway standards with a collector road following the alignment as well.

There is also SS73 missing in your list.
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Old December 28th, 2012, 10:56 PM   #4779
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Congrats for this very good and difficult job but I'd like to make some precisations:
A14dir Cotignola - Ravenna is a real motorway, not superstrada.
SS676 (south Udine bypass), RA16 (east Pordenone bypass) and NSA56 (short link between A4 and SS14 near Trieste) are missing. I don't see in that list the A1 - Perugia link (RA6) that is an expressway even if signed on maps like a motorway.
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Old December 28th, 2012, 11:00 PM   #4780
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A1 - Perugia is included in the E45 mileage.
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