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Old January 3rd, 2013, 01:58 PM   #4881
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About A4 VE-TS: there is the quite straight SS14 next but it crosses many towns and has roundabout and traffic lights, so driving from TS to VE on that road may take 3 hours (instead of 1,5 via the A4). Almost everyone here uses the SS14 for short sections (ex. San Dona' to Portogruaro) but rarely on the entire lenght. If you have to go from Udine to Portogruaro, the straight provincial road is probably as fast as the A4-A23 because is 20km shorter.
driving on SS14 makes you losing your nervs
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 02:05 PM   #4882
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driving on SS14 makes you losing your nervs
Not as much as navigating without getting lost trough small roads between Muggia and Umag since 2008
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 02:14 PM   #4883
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let's just say avoiding tolls isn't a calming thing in general

(although I ended on SS14 because of the traffic jam on A4)
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 02:20 PM   #4884
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let's just say avoiding tolls isn't a calming thing in general

(although I ended on SS14 because of the traffic jam on A4)
I once saw 10 km of cars and trucks standing on SS14 after A4 was closed due to a bad accident.
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 02:27 PM   #4885
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Nah. TomTom says 5h42 total travel time with traffic as of right now. People overestimate travel times on A3 despite all roadwork mess....
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 03:13 PM   #4886
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What's the busiest Italian border crossing? Fernetti/Fernetiči with Slovenia had 20,286 AADT in 2011. I assume Ventimiglia, Como and Brennero are busier (and perhaps with San Marino ).
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 03:31 PM   #4887
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What's the busiest Italian border crossing? Fernetti/Fernetiči with Slovenia had 20,286 AADT in 2011. I assume Ventimiglia, Como and Brennero are busier (and perhaps with San Marino ).
Here they say that Chiasso (motorway and normal road) has 150,000 ADT.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/ita/Di_notte...tml?cid=427598
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 03:39 PM   #4888
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IIRC, among the highway crossings, it is like this (most to least traffic): Chiasso, Brennero, Ventimiglia, Tarvisio, Trieste-Fernetti, Mont Blanc ac. and Fréjus ac.
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 04:22 PM   #4889
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IIRC, among the highway crossings, it is like this (most to least traffic): Chiasso, Brennero, Ventimiglia, Tarvisio, Trieste-Fernetti, Mont Blanc ac. and Fréjus ac.
A while ago I read somewhere that A5 between Aosta and the tunnel has the lowest AADT among Italian tolled motorways.
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 04:29 PM   #4890
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IIRC, among the highway crossings, it is like this (most to least traffic): Chiasso, Brennero, Ventimiglia, Tarvisio, Trieste-Fernetti, Mont Blanc ac. and Fréjus ac.
are you sure about Tarvisio more than Fernetti?
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 04:37 PM   #4891
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AADT - data from 2011

Traforo Monte Bianco: 5.113
Traforo Fréjus: 4.494
Traforo G. S. Bernardo: 1.724

Source: http://www.aiscat.it/pubblicazioni/d...im3-4_2011.pdf

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This report is very interesting, it has a lot of stats (Italian).

For instance (always for 2011 data, always for highways and tunnels roads only)

- 550 million liters of gas, 2.154 million liters of diesel and 206 million liters of LPG were sold on roadside stations
- total tolled traffic was 86,3 billion vehicle-km: 66,8 from cars and 19,5 from heavy vehicles
- € 6,75 billions were collected, of which € 1,13 bln. were VAT; € 0,64 were the ANAS surcharge and € 4,71 bln. were for the road operators themselves

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Old January 3rd, 2013, 04:41 PM   #4892
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Maybe more people drive up to the Frejus tunnel without entering it than they do in Monte Bianco...
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 05:08 PM   #4893
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Here they say that Chiasso (motorway and normal road) has 150,000 ADT.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/ita/Di_notte...tml?cid=427598
That can't be, it's physically impossible. It would also be the busiest border crossing in Europe, if not the world.
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Condidering that Courmayeur and Bardonecchia are very popular touristic destinations and with those expensive tunnel tolls people don't cross the border just for the sake of it, like they were in Ventimiglia or Gorizia, isn't weird at all that AADT on the last sections of A5 and A32 are higher than those of the tunnel themselves.
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 05:11 PM   #4895
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That can't be, it's physically impossible. It would also be the busiest border crossing in Europe, if not the world.
Maybe 150k refers to the whole I-CH border.
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 05:14 PM   #4896
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Maybe 150k refers to the whole I-CH border.
I think you're right.
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 05:16 PM   #4897
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Share of heavy traffic

Here I present some calculations from share of heavy traffic on total traffic on selected highway sectors. I used data mentioned on the PDF cited above.

Frejus tunnel: 46%
A1 Milano - Bologna: 26%
A4 Venezia - Trieste + racc: 31%
A10 Savona - Ventimiglia: 21%
A11 Firenze - Pisa: 16%
A1 Napoli - Roma: 20%
A14 Canosa - Taranto: 19%
A23 Tarvisio - Udine: 29%
A32 Verona - Brenero: 28%
A21 Piacenza - Torino: 32%
A12 Roma - Civitavecchia: 14%

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Old January 3rd, 2013, 05:19 PM   #4898
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Maybe 150k refers to the whole I-CH border.
Or between Italy and Ticino.
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 05:26 PM   #4899
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Or between Italy and Ticino.
Most probably, yeah.
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 05:52 PM   #4900
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I calculated traffic on Italian-Slovenian border crossings and there's more than 80,000 AADT on the entire border (I didn't count local roads between Gorizia and Nova Gorica and some other roads, because I don't even know their numbers).
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