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Old January 9th, 2013, 07:49 PM   #4921
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Wow, how interesting was that.

Council of Region Veneto gave green light to the first stretch of Passante Alpe-Adria, the extension of A27 from Pian di Vedoia to Perarolo. 20.7 km (11 of which in tunnels) and three junctions (Pian di Vedoia, Longarone, Perarolo).

http://www.lestradedellinformazione...._idnews=191133
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Old January 9th, 2013, 10:10 PM   #4922
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There are many more urgent highway project in the region Veneto. The A27 would probably never be connected to any other motorway towards north and have it 20km longer wouldn't bring so much benefits for long-distance traffic.
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Old January 9th, 2013, 10:23 PM   #4923
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I agre...a bypass tunnel for the town of Longarone alone would be a good thing (noth of it there is already a two lane fast road).

Pian di Vedoia "junction" already exists, it's the partially unbuilt terminus of the A27: https://maps.google.ch/maps?q=Pian+d...talia&t=k&z=16
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Old January 10th, 2013, 03:34 AM   #4924
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I'm kinda fan of this motorway so I support any extension they propose or agree to
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Old January 10th, 2013, 05:07 AM   #4925
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Hopefully they will extend it to Cortina d'Ampezzo
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Old January 10th, 2013, 09:44 AM   #4926
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Hopefully they will extend it to Cortina d'Ampezzo
It would never happen. Local residents and business owners would never accept to see their very touristic valley spoiled. They even oppose the simple Cortina bypass on the SS51.
The 50 years old plan to extent it straight north to München made sense in term of international traffic, the current one to A23 in Tolmezzo not.
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Old January 10th, 2013, 11:17 AM   #4927
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Anyway, a trivia: Longarone was completely destroyed on the Vajont reservoir landslide disaster in 1963, completely wiped out by a giant tsunami generated by a collapse of a mountain that pushed millions of m³ of water on a 150m-tall wave.

The dam itself stands there
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Old January 15th, 2013, 11:59 AM   #4928
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Definitive project for Autostrada Regionale Cispadana (A22 Reggiolo-A13 Ferrara), presented on 20th December 2012:

http://mobilita.regione.emilia-romag...o_20122012.pdf
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Old January 16th, 2013, 12:31 AM   #4929
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Old January 17th, 2013, 03:29 PM   #4930
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"Bar SS202" on the SS15racc
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Old January 17th, 2013, 05:01 PM   #4931
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A bit misplaced.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 05:17 PM   #4932
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It was probably on the old SS202 until new SS202 was built as part of GVT.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 10:38 AM   #4933
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These two videos show works in progress on A3. Taken from a truck.


at 7:35 you can see a sector almost completed


between 3:20 and 4:15 you can see (minus yellow markings/closed lane) how the original A3 was built up to....
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Old January 20th, 2013, 12:40 PM   #4934
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According to this, works for prolonging A18 from Rosolini (current motorway end) to Modica, 372 M€ worth, are going to start this summer. They should also build a toll barrier in Cassibile, activate already present (but inactive) toll booths at Noto, Avola and Rosolini, thus making this south section of A18 tolled (north section is already tolled).
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Old January 20th, 2013, 01:37 PM   #4935
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between 3:20 and 4:15 you can see (minus yellow markings/closed lane) how the original A3 was built up to....
It's amazing how slowly construction works are proceeding on this section. First time I went here was in 2007 and yet it does not seem that it would be finished any time soon.

Also I noticed on several occasions that often new tunnels with hard shoulder get 80 km/h speed limit like in the first video (at the end) and I also remember some other new tunnels on A3 with 80 km/h. Old tunnels without modern safety equipment and without hard shoulder usually have 130 km/h speed limit. Why is that?
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Old January 20th, 2013, 01:47 PM   #4936
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I think is temporary. Italy is quite generous with speed limit on tunnels (A32 Courmayeur - Aosta is 90% underground, full of tunnels on curves and with 3-4% descent grade, yet they allow 100%, A10 also has dozens of tight tunnels with 130 limit.

I think once works are finished they will increase the limit.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 02:30 PM   #4937
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I think is temporary. Italy is quite generous with speed limit on tunnels (A32 Courmayeur - Aosta is 90% underground, full of tunnels on curves and with 3-4% descent grade, yet they allow 100%
Not anymore. Limit is 100 km/h through these tunnels now.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 02:43 PM   #4938
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I think is temporary. Italy is quite generous with speed limit on tunnels (A32 Courmayeur - Aosta is 90% underground, full of tunnels on curves and with 3-4% descent grade, yet they allow 100%, A10 also has dozens of tight tunnels with 130 limit.

I think once works are finished they will increase the limit.
You mean A5.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 02:46 PM   #4939
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You mean A5.
Yes, A5, I slept just 3 hours last night. Mt. Bianco - Aosta is 100km/h.

It's been a while since I last drove Savona-Ventimiglia so I'm not sure if they have reduced the whole thing to 100 km/h there as well.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 04:57 PM   #4940
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I think is temporary. Italy is quite generous with speed limit on tunnels (A32 Courmayeur - Aosta is 90% underground, full of tunnels on curves and with 3-4% descent grade, yet they allow 100%, A10 also has dozens of tight tunnels with 130 limit.

I think once works are finished they will increase the limit.
Sometimes they're a bit slow to take down these construction-site speed limits. A14 south of Ancona, once enlarged to 2x3, had 100 km/h speed limit for more than a year after completion.

But yes, generally speaking motorway tunnels have no different limits from the general motorway one. Even the 10+ km Gran Sasso tunnels have 130 km/h limit.
Don't remember the A5 north of Aosta, but if Road_UK says they're limited it must be so, then. Some parts of Genova-Ventimiglia are definitely limited: Albissola-Genova Voltri section is limited to 80 km/h.
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