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Old March 2nd, 2013, 06:02 AM   #5041
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A3 Salerno-Reggio Calabria

opening to traffic new 9 km of 'macrolotto V' (with viaduct Favazzina)

http://www.stradeanas.it/index.php?/...taglio/id/3320


This is the section to be opened: http://goo.gl/maps/KmZru
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Old March 2nd, 2013, 10:58 AM   #5042
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Are there still plans to implement tolls on A3?
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Old March 2nd, 2013, 12:36 PM   #5043
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Excellent news. Hom much is that - after 7 or 8 years of construction?
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Old March 2nd, 2013, 12:42 PM   #5044
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Are there still plans to implement tolls on A3?
No, unless ANAS decides to put an electronic toll on all superstrade and raccordi. New exits on the A3 are built without toll booths.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old March 2nd, 2013, 12:45 PM   #5045
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I believe that toll booths should be left to the past and Italian motorway network should implement common electronic tolling for all concessionaires without toll booths. When implemented, many existing exits and interchanges could be simplified to take much less space.
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Old March 2nd, 2013, 01:08 PM   #5046
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I believe that toll booths should be left to the past and Italian motorway network should implement common electronic tolling for all concessionaires without toll booths. When implemented, many existing exits and interchanges could be simplified to take much less space.
It would be cool but it's complicated because of foreign traffic and occasional motorway users.
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Old March 2nd, 2013, 10:58 PM   #5047
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Of course it should be compatible with future EU-wide system. Also with todays technology there is no problem to charge users that don't have On-board unit (like in Norway) even if they are from abroad.
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 10:45 PM   #5048
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Yesterday the new toll booth of Villesse (A4-A34 junction) was completed. The entire A34 motorway will open by the end of this year.
http://www.ilfriuli.it/index.php/top...-villesse.html
http://www.triesteallnews.it/index.p...e-gorizia.html





Autovie Venete S.p.A. seems to have some fantasy to design toll booths. This is the toll booth of Latisana, on the A4 opened in 2009. It is shaped as a sea gull with open wings, since this is the gateway to the sea (Lignano and Bibione).
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Old March 4th, 2013, 12:13 AM   #5049
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They seem to have a lot of money for obscure projects, like cashier booths ...
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Old March 4th, 2013, 12:34 AM   #5050
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They seem to have a lot of money for obscure projects, like cashier booths ...
1st January toll increments on Autovie Venete network are among the highest in the country. I remember that Trieste - Latisana was 2,50 in 2005 and now it's 4,10. A such increment isn't imputable to inflation. They wasted millions to build the A27-A28 junction (following stricly a 1970s plan, with substandard short ramps and such) and the 3rd lane between Mestre and Villesse will remain a dream for long.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 05:10 PM   #5051
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That way you know they are ripping you off with the tolls.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 07:28 PM   #5052
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They wasted millions to build the A27-A28 junction
True, and now we got those dangerous situations:
https://maps.google.com/?ll=45.87819...88.22,,0,21.76

I was almost shocked to see that substandard and yet new interchange.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 07:56 PM   #5053
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True, and now we got those dangerous situations:
https://maps.google.com/?ll=45.87819...88.22,,0,21.76

I was almost shocked to see that substandard and yet new interchange.
I remember pages of complaints on the Italian SSC back then. It's dangerous especially for vehicles with blind rear like trucks and vans. The plan for the A28 including that junction dates back to the early 70s and had never been changed.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 08:03 PM   #5054
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Another dangerous exit is this:
When you leave the motorway, the deceleration ramp is short and you must slow down a lot to do a quite narrow 180° turn. Also this one isn't very old, I think from late 80s. The RA13 is part of ANAS network.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 10:38 PM   #5055
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It is still much better than this dangerous interchange exit on A4 directly before Torino, which also has pretty inadequate signage and is narrowed from three to two lanes before that. Removing this gas station (whose entrance has almost nonexistent exit lane) should be high priority. Check closely all the exits and merges in this interchange and gas station.
http://maps.google.it/maps?hl=it&ll=...06968&t=h&z=18

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Old March 5th, 2013, 02:49 AM   #5056
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Yesterday the new toll booth of Villesse (A4-A34 junction) was completed. The entire A34 motorway will open by the end of this year.
wasn't it supposed to be finished before summer?
exit/enter ramps are generaly way to short in Italy.
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wasn't it supposed to be finished before summer?
exit/enter ramps are generaly way to short in Italy.
Some of old A3 ramps were scandalously short.
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It is still much better than this dangerous interchange exit on A4 directly before Torino, which also has pretty inadequate signage and is narrowed from three to two lanes before that. Removing this gas station (whose entrance has almost nonexistent exit lane) should be high priority. Check closely all the exits and merges in this interchange and gas station.
http://maps.google.it/maps?hl=it&ll=...06968&t=h&z=18
i hate those joint in- and out-going lanes, they are always too short and very dangerous.
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Some of old A3 ramps were scandalously short.
some of them didn't even look like proper exits, especially in Napoli area.
https://maps.google.hr/maps?q=Napulj...,+Italija&z=18

this onewas my favourite because of merging to direction Salerno. this must be merging to motorway with the lowest speed in the world (you cannot make this 180 turn with more than 20, maybe 30 km/h).
https://maps.google.hr/maps?q=Napulj...,+Italija&z=18
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A very dangerous motorway to motorway junction is probably the A14-A16 in Apulia cause it was originally planned with Neaples-Bari as main direction. But it's 40 years old.
Many on ramp on the A3 Neaples- Salerno used to have stop sign and no acceleration ramp, now part of that motorway is modernized.
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A very dangerous motorway to motorway junction is probably the A14-A16 in Apulia cause it was originally planned with Neaples-Bari as main direction. But it's 40 years old.
Many on ramp on the A3 Neaples- Salerno used to have stop sign and no acceleration ramp, now part of that motorway is modernized.
very similar thing is at A4-A23. ok, left turns are solved better with longer and double outgoing lanes, but the the leg from Trieste to Venezia or Udine is horrible. there is always somebody changing lanes in the last moment in that crowd.
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