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Old March 5th, 2013, 05:29 PM   #5061
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Talk of a mess of interchanges and toll plazas: near Milano Fiera
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Old March 5th, 2013, 10:41 PM   #5062
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Talking about stupidity: those 2 roads (Via Bonomea and Via Scala Santa) are one-way both in the same direction: you can drive only uphill on both. If you want to go downhill you must do a very long detour through another road. But locals have a special permit to drive in both direction. So you're driving happily in the middle of the road because you think it's one-way and you meet someone going against you! At the bridge in Via Bonomea there is even a traffic light to alternate traffic in both directions even if the downhill direction is allowed only to residents.
They should have made a road one-way downhill and the other one-way uphill, the same for residents and not.
http://maps.google.it/maps?q=villa+o...iulia&t=h&z=16
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Old March 6th, 2013, 12:05 AM   #5063
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Talk of a mess of interchanges and toll plazas: near Milano Fiera
Another reason for introducing full electronic tolling.
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Old March 6th, 2013, 12:54 AM   #5064
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A3 Salerno-Reggio Calabria

opening to traffic new 9 km of 'macrolotto V' (with viaduct Favazzina)

http://www.stradeanas.it/index.php?/...taglio/id/3320


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Ho trovato due foto del viadotto Favazzina in rete

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Old March 6th, 2013, 12:56 AM   #5065
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Old March 6th, 2013, 03:55 PM   #5066
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It is still much better than this dangerous interchange exit on A4 directly before Torino, which also has pretty inadequate signage and is narrowed from three to two lanes before that. Removing this gas station (whose entrance has almost nonexistent exit lane) should be high priority. Check closely all the exits and merges in this interchange and gas station.
http://maps.google.it/maps?hl=it&ll=...06968&t=h&z=18
The existing gas station is being replaced here (work in progress on the new site):


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Old March 6th, 2013, 04:07 PM   #5067
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Another reason for introducing full electronic tolling.
I agree.

There is, however, a silver lining to complex toll plazas: since they are expensive, and require plenty of space, they don't build too many of them, especially in medium cities, avoiding its use for local traffic (which is a pain in Germany often).
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Old March 6th, 2013, 06:00 PM   #5068
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The existing gas station is being replaced here (work in progress on the new site):


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Good, so next year I can expect enlarged interchange. Are works on both sides of A4 or just on northern side?
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Old March 7th, 2013, 06:44 PM   #5069
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First stretch of BreBeMi, future A35 between Brescia and Milan, 17 km from Chiari to Calcio will open 6 months ahead of schedule, in summer 2013.

http://www.bresciaoggi.it/stories/da...ce&scroll=1291
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Old March 8th, 2013, 01:32 AM   #5070
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I keep wondering... are concessionaires purposefully presenting worst-case scenario for roadworks, then cheering themselves when they open ahead of schedule? First A14, now this...

(now if only the Messina Strati bridge opened 10 years ahead of schedule j/k)
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Old March 8th, 2013, 02:42 AM   #5071
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Don't worry... Usually in Italy works end several years LATE. When they have an end...
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Old March 8th, 2013, 04:40 PM   #5072
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I keep wondering... are concessionaires purposefully presenting worst-case scenario for roadworks, then cheering themselves when they open ahead of schedule? First A14, now this...
No they usually schedule works for completion 2 years from now. So if you see a message now it says "works completion: 2015". Wait a year and you'll see "works completion: 2016". They're doing this for A3 since 1995.
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WTF?
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Old March 13th, 2013, 12:20 AM   #5074
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What's wrong with that?

This is the answer:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ovada...talia&t=h&z=19


3 lanes from A26 and then 2 lanes towards Genova/Livorno and 2 lanes towards Ventimiglia.
So when you reach the junction you have 3 choices:
1) keep right and go to Ventimiglia;
2) keep left and go to Genova/Livorno;
3) stay in the middle and then be able to choose where to go at the last moment...

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Old March 13th, 2013, 12:23 AM   #5075
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What's wrong with that?

This is the answer:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ovada...talia&t=h&z=19


3 lanes from A26 and then 2 lanes towards Genova/Livorno and 2 lanes towards Ventimiglia.
So when you reach the junction you have 3 choices:
1) keep right and go to Ventimiglia;
2) keep left and go to Genova/Livorno;
3) stay in the middle and then be able to choose where to go at the last moment...
It's not so clear for who drives here the first time.
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Old March 13th, 2013, 12:31 AM   #5076
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What's unclear? How would you inform drivers of the direction they will be able to take from each lane (without switching)?
IMHO that's a very simple information...

Across Italy there are many panels way more complicated than these!
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Directions are correct, but overhead signs don't match with lanes and this can generate confusion.


Sign before a roundabout:
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Old March 13th, 2013, 12:41 AM   #5078
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This solution is frequently found in Denmark. The middle lane exits both to the right and left. (they merge the same way as well, which is somewhat less comfortable).
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Old March 13th, 2013, 12:59 AM   #5079
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What's unclear? How would you inform drivers of the direction they will be able to take from each lane (without switching)?
IMHO that's a very simple information...

Across Italy there are many panels way more complicated than these!
The sing IS confusing. There are lots of good examples from Austria, Hungary or Denmark, for example, but this one is not quite clear.
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I find italysf's first example perfectly clear: if I know my destination, I know which lane to take. And if I choose the middle lane, I know - thanks to the splitting arrows - that the lane is going to split soon.

On the other hand, here we have an another example - not from Italy but Finland, from the diverging point of highways 4 and 7:

https://maps.google.fi/?ll=60.245136...2,48.99,,0,7.4

What does this tell to you? That the left lane and middle lane go towards Lahti, and that the right line - and the right lane only - goes towards Kotka/Kouvola/Porvoo, diverging in 500 metres?

Clear, if it only were true. It isn't. As you drive forward, you'll see that the middle lane actually splits between those two directions, becoming the right lane on the Lahti-directon motorway as well as the left lane on the Porvoo-direction motorway.

So on the contrary to italysf's example above, and Chris' examples of Denmark, this signage actually is misleading to someone driving here for the first time.

(italysf's second example - from Bologna - surely is confusing, though.)
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