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Old March 13th, 2013, 01:14 AM   #5081
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The sing IS confusing. There are lots of good examples from Austria, Hungary or Denmark, for example, but this one is not quite clear.
Can you show me some examples?

I mean a 3 lane road going to split in two 2 lane junctions (so, from 3 lanes to 4 lanes totally).
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Old March 13th, 2013, 01:18 AM   #5082
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Old March 13th, 2013, 01:20 AM   #5083
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I think the Finnish sign is just fine, you don't really need so much information. This example from Slovenia is good though:

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Old March 13th, 2013, 01:24 AM   #5084
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Old March 13th, 2013, 03:03 PM   #5085
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A very dangerous motorway to motorway junction is probably the A14-A16 in Apulia cause it was originally planned with Neaples-Bari as main direction. But it's 40 years old.
Many on ramp on the A3 Neaples- Salerno used to have stop sign and no acceleration ramp, now part of that motorway is modernized.
The amount of traffic around that junction just doesn't justify any upgrade (unlike it recently happened e.g. for A8/A9 interchange).

In any case, I go across A14/A16 junction at last four times per year, I'd say that the only dangerous part is the southward carriageway segment on A14, which has a couple of dangerous curves (speed limit is 80km/h there, IIRC).
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Old March 13th, 2013, 11:31 PM   #5086
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Can you show me some examples?

I mean a 3 lane road going to split in two 2 lane junctions (so, from 3 lanes to 4 lanes totally).
Unfortunately I don't have too much road photos 'cause I usually drive myself :-) But the Danish and Slovanian signs, posted by other forum members, are nice. The Hungarian version is similar to the Slovenian one, but the destinations are written not above, but between the arrows, i.e. a bit lower than in the Slovenian sign.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 01:58 AM   #5087
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I meant a Streetview pic...

BTW... In these photos the concept is the SAME... In the Slovenian panel it's just reversed.

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Old March 14th, 2013, 02:02 AM   #5088
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I find these two examples way more confusing.
If I'm driving on the middle lane where am I going? In the first signal it seems I'm going against a wall.
In the second pic I see 3 lanes and 4 arrows. And obviously they're not aligned with the lanes. So, If I drive on the middle lane where am I going?



IMHO on the Italian and on the Slovenian panel it's way clearer that the middle lane is going to SPLIT.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 02:12 AM   #5089
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I do not fully agree. The Slovenian signs has two sets of focal point and the split arrow above the middle lane points to both of them. The Italian sign has three sets of focal points and no arrow pointing to the focals in the middle. There is a complete disconnect between arrows and focal points.

Though that is something that an Italian motorist must be used to in general, many foreign motorists will be confused. Even having lived in Italy, thus knowing some of the Italian signposting rationale, I needed a few seconds to get fhe message of this sign. Which means that others will take too long. I think that the situation would already be improved by the middle sign not having any focals at all. But ideally, in this type of situation, a split arrow actually points to the focal points concerned in each direction.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 10:00 PM   #5090
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I meant a Streetview pic...
No streetview in Hungary :-)

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BTW... In these photos the concept is the SAME... In the Slovenian panel it's just reversed.
No, in the Italian version the central sign is confusing, in Slovenian on destination names are listed only once, in a very clear way.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 11:59 PM   #5091
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I meant a Streetview pic...

BTW... In these photos the concept is the SAME... In the Slovenian panel it's just reversed.

[IMG]http://i47.************/28v63x5.jpg[/IMG]
It's better the Slovenian one. The same city written twice on the same panel (or on two adjacent panels) is always confusing for motorists.
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Old March 18th, 2013, 10:00 AM   #5092
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A26 Genova - Alessandria on video, recorded September 2012:
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Old March 19th, 2013, 04:22 AM   #5093
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A7 is funnier! Particularly if you're going South...
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Old March 19th, 2013, 10:13 PM   #5094
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Two years ago I drove there, but downwards (i.e. southbound). It was dark and heavy rain. I hardly saw anything. In tunnels was it a little bit easier :-)
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Old March 20th, 2013, 01:06 AM   #5095
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A7 Southbound, dark and rainy... Definitely NOT funny!

But A7 southbound in a sunny day it's fantastic... Or maybe it WAS fantastic, until the safety-tutor was installed.

But there was also plenty of *******s like this..
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Old March 23rd, 2013, 06:44 PM   #5096
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A14 Rimini - Fano

The new tunnel Novilara opened on March 21st, 2013. It's a three-lane tunnel, part of the A14 widening to 2x3 lanes between Pesaro and Fano. The complete widening works should be completed before the summer peak travel.

I wonder though, will they use the old 2-lane tunnels for northbound traffic, i.e. split the traffic in two tubes?
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The new tunnel Novilara opened on March 21st, 2013. It's a three-lane tunnel, part of the A14 widening to 2x3 lanes between Pesaro and Fano. The complete widening works should be completed before the summer peak travel.

I wonder though, will they use the old 2-lane tunnels for northbound traffic, i.e. split the traffic in two tubes?
Yes.
New tunnel: southbound traffic
Old tunnel: northbound traffic

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Sì, è appena a sud di Pesaro, penso che ammoderneranno l'autostrada esistente trasformandola in carreggiata nord e la galleria in variante diventerà la sud. Tra l'altro anche nella autostrada esistente c'è una piccola galleria, che andrà adeguata.
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Old March 26th, 2013, 08:24 AM   #5099
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Translating myself into English:

Yes, it's just south of Pesaro, I think they're going to renovate existing motorway using it as northbound carriageway, while the variante tunnel is going to carry southbound traffic. As a matter of fact existing carriageway also has a small tunnel, which is going to be enlarged.

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I wonder though, will they use the old 2-lane tunnels for northbound traffic, i.e. split the traffic in two tubes?
I don't think so, tunnels are too narrow and close to each other. I think they are going to enlarge one of the existing tunnels and abandon the other one.
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Old March 30th, 2013, 06:51 PM   #5100
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