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Old April 14th, 2013, 01:13 PM   #5141
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Francesco Bettoni, chairman of BreBeMi, announced that part of A35 motorway, from Chiari-Castrezzato toll barrier to Romano-Fara Olivana will open on November 2013.
The A35 is new motorway number assigned by ANAS?
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Old April 14th, 2013, 02:05 PM   #5142
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Yes. A34 will be the RA17 Raccordo Villesse-Gorizia.
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Old April 14th, 2013, 04:34 PM   #5143
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The A35 is new motorway number assigned by ANAS?
Yes, I don't think it's completely official - I think it's just a proposal but usually ANAS approves these proposed designations.
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Old April 14th, 2013, 10:58 PM   #5144
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Societā per l'autostrada di Alemagna, the company that should have built the italian A27 up to Munich (hence "Alemagna", archaic Italian for "Germany") has been dissolved after almost 50 years. The old project of connecting directly Venice and Munich seems buried forever.
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Old April 14th, 2013, 11:01 PM   #5145
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Which route would it have taken?
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Old April 14th, 2013, 11:50 PM   #5146
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Which route would it have taken?
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EDIT: I'm not so sure this was the original plan. German Wikipedia tells a different story:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostrada_A27#Geschichte

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Old April 15th, 2013, 12:06 AM   #5147
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Societā per l'autostrada di Alemagna, the company that should have built the italian A27 up to Munich (hence "Alemagna", archaic Italian for "Germany") has been dissolved after almost 50 years. The old project of connecting directly Venice and Munich seems buried forever.
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Project information in German language:
http://www.wabweb.net/verkehr/history/alemagna.htm

The fact is that the idea has been practically buried for 10 years. The current question is if there is any alternative (and viable) and not so expensive plan what to do with the motorway A27. For example the connection with Alps-Adria-Motorway A23 etc. And if this plan is any "hot" issue for next decade....? Or any improvement of local national roads....?
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Old April 15th, 2013, 12:18 AM   #5148
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Is there a real need for an additional connection there? I've never driven this route before, but according to google it could be done in about 5 h using A10 and Brenner pass. That's quite good given the distance and mountains in between.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 01:03 AM   #5149
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Is there a real need for an additional connection there? I've never driven this route before, but according to google it could be done in about 5 h using A10 and Brenner pass. That's quite good given the distance and mountains in between.
A10 where? You mean A4, A22, A12?
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Old April 15th, 2013, 01:33 AM   #5150
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RA17 before central barrier was installed:


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Old April 15th, 2013, 02:14 AM   #5151
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Felbertauern goes up to 1600m, quite difficult to maintain in the winter. too bad for the projetct, I hope A27 will connect to A22 someday.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 02:46 PM   #5152
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Felbertauern goes up to 1600m, quite difficult to maintain in the winter. too bad for the projetct, I hope A27 will connect to A22 someday.
Highly unlikely considering the extremely high costs and the "environmental" opposition in Trentino - Alto Adige. In the far future it's more likely (but also more useless) a connection with the A23.
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they should extend it at least to Cortina d'Ampezzo, helping the site to grow exponentially and become a community within (easier) reach from Venezia, Conegliano, Treviso etc.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 04:04 PM   #5154
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Societā per l'autostrada di Alemagna, the company that should have built the italian A27 up to Munich (hence "Alemagna", archaic Italian for "Germany") has been dissolved after almost 50 years.
Did they do anything in the last couple of decades? Were there still people on the payroll?
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Old April 15th, 2013, 04:49 PM   #5155
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Did they do anything in the last couple of decades?
Lobbying, I guess. Not too hard, though.

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Of course there were.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 04:53 PM   #5156
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Is there a real need for an additional connection there? I've never driven this route before, but according to google it could be done in about 5 h using A10 and Brenner pass. That's quite good given the distance and mountains in between.
There is no need for something until you have it, and then you think "how did I live before?"

Brescia recently opened its first subway line. Two (not one, two) separate consultative referenda were held during the years asking Brescians if they wanted the subway. Both times "no" won, big time.

Now we have it, and we're deeply in love with it.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 07:12 PM   #5157
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Lobbying, I guess. Not too hard, though.

Of course there were.
Nothing strange. The basic term of bureaucracy. No office would like to disband itself (at least so quickly). Carps will not drain their pond. Not only in Italy.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 08:10 PM   #5158
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Some of the long viaducts on A19 might have been overkill, but some aren't: the soil is unstable, especially when saturated with water, the costs to replacing a good thick chunk of soil to build the roadbed over it are not much higher than building pillars, which also provide associated benefits of allowing water (mostly) and wildlife (second) to flow freely.


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There is no need for something until you have it, and then you think "how did I live before?"

Brescia recently opened its first subway line. Two (not one, two) separate consultative referenda were held during the years asking Brescians if they wanted the subway. Both times "no" won, big time.

Now we have it, and we're deeply in love with it.

That's a fair point. Who pushed it through then? It's very unusual for such a small city to have a subway line.
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they should extend it at least to Cortina d'Ampezzo
Aren't there still plans to extend the A27 to Pieve di Cadore?
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