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Old May 2nd, 2013, 09:39 PM   #5201
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No.

I mean il Ponte
Ok, but it isn't related with the completness of network inside Sicily. However I don't think that it's already time for it: the South has more urgent priorities and some more seismical\geological research would be better.
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Old May 2nd, 2013, 09:50 PM   #5202
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Sicilia has a decent network if you consider the 1+1 expressways.

It only got road infrastructure very late in the game. The advantage is that they did it right first time.

There is a rare (in Europe) full cover-leaf interchange between two 1+1 expressways over there: http://goo.gl/maps/9l0gK
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Old May 2nd, 2013, 10:20 PM   #5203
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Yup, Sicilian network is pretty extensive considering that is an island (as comparison, Corsica and Crete don't have any expressway while Sardinia has "expressways" that have some at-grade junctions). The main problem of Sicilian roads is the lack of mainteinance. Some highways aren't repaved in decades, markings are hardly visible and invasive plants grow on the hard shoulders and on the median (with consequent fires in during the dry season, if morons throw cig butts out of their cars).

There is this cloverleaf in Friuli, connecting not two 1+1 expressways, but 2 roads that are not even grade-separated. I think it's even rarer. And it's not even new, since it appears in my father's 1979 road atlas. Ok, it has only 6 instead of 8 ramps (going N-W and W-S isn't possible) but it's still a cloverleaf.
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Old May 2nd, 2013, 10:43 PM   #5204
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This is also quite unique.
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Old May 2nd, 2013, 11:20 PM   #5205
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This is also quite unique.
It looks like to the A4-A23 and A14-A16 interchanges in Italy.

Here you have a block of flats inside a cloverleaf.

Also this interchange has a pretty unusual shape.
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Old May 2nd, 2013, 11:31 PM   #5206
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The A4-RA13 Monfalcone - Trieste have many strange interchanges, that differ to the usual trumpet interchange thypical on tolled motorways.

Duino exit
You can exit only if you came from Venice and you can enter only towards Venice.

Sgonico exit
Same as Duino

Prosecco exit
You cannot enter towards Venice (you must enter at Sgonico)

Trebiciano exit
It's probably the weidest ever, you can entry\exit from every direction but there's not an underpass\overpass.
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Old May 2nd, 2013, 11:39 PM   #5207
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Yup, Sicilian network is pretty extensive considering that is an island (as comparison, Corsica and Crete don't have any expressway while Sardinia has "expressways" that have some at-grade junctions). The main problem of Sicilian roads is the lack of mainteinance. Some highways aren't repaved in decades, markings are hardly visible and invasive plants grow on the hard shoulders and on the median (with consequent fires in during the dry season, if morons throw cig butts out of their cars).
I think what happened is that most roads there were abysmal well into the 1950s. Sicilia never had the "good" old routes that existed all the way from Lecce to Ventimiglia.

So they just started building modern routes altogether.

Basilicata also has a handful of good 1+1 expressways.

There are some stories about certain routes in Sicilia requiring army intervention because they eviscerated the domains of certain mafiosi that loved their isolation and vantage points to control their disgusting criminal fielfdoms.
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Old May 3rd, 2013, 12:09 AM   #5208
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There are some stories about certain routes in Sicilia requiring army intervention because they eviscerated the domains of certain mafiosi that loved their isolation and vantage points to control their disgusting criminal fielfdoms.
In the movie "I 100 passi" they say that the A29 was build with useless curves to avoid crossing lands that belonged to "somebody".
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Old May 3rd, 2013, 03:02 PM   #5209
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This exit is peculiar too
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Old May 3rd, 2013, 04:26 PM   #5210
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Millesimo exit on A6

It is just linked to the Southbound, then to in and out the Northbound you have to do this way

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Old May 3rd, 2013, 06:12 PM   #5211
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Tarvisio has 2 exits on the A23: in Tarvisio Sud you can exit only if you come from Italy and enter only towards Italy. In Tarvisio Nord you can only exit if you come from Austria and enter towards Austria.

Interesting is also the exit of Fadalto on the A27: th two carriaggeways are roughly half a km apart each other with the SS51 running in between. You can exit only if you come from Vence and enter only towards Venice.
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Old May 3rd, 2013, 08:07 PM   #5212
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The Dervio Exit on SS36 is interesting as well
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Old May 3rd, 2013, 11:27 PM   #5213
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Tarvisio has 2 exits on the A23: in Tarvisio Sud you can exit only if you come from Italy and enter only towards Italy. In Tarvisio Nord you can only exit if you come from Austria and enter towards Austria.
I find funny that both Tarvisio exits, despite being labelled Nord (North) and Sud (South), are roughly at the same latitude. I would change Tarvisio Nord to Tarvisio Est and Tarvisio Sud to Tarvisio Ovest.

Same goes to both Cerignola exits, they are at the same longitude (In my map it seems that Cerignola Est, East, is sightly WEST of Cerignola Ovest, West). I would change the E55 exit to Cerignola Nord and the E842 one to Cerignola Sud.
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Old May 4th, 2013, 01:05 AM   #5214
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I find funny that both Tarvisio exits, despite being labelled Nord (North) and Sud (South), are roughly at the same latitude. I would change Tarvisio Nord to Tarvisio Est and Tarvisio Sud to Tarvisio Ovest.

Same goes to both Cerignola exits, they are at the same longitude (In my map it seems that Cerignola Est, East, is sightly WEST of Cerignola Ovest, West). I would change the E45 exit to Cerignola Nord and the E842 one to Cerignola Sud.
I think that they choosed Tarvisio North and Tarvisio South instead of East and West because the A23/E55 is a N-S route. I don't understand about Cerignola East and West, North and South would be correct there.
BTW, the A14 is E55, not E45 (however nobody uses E45 and E842, just A14 and A16).

In Cerignola there is one of the very few places where two motorways\motorway-like roads cross each other with no junction between them (A14 and SS16).
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Cerig...a,+Italia&z=17
Until few years ago there was another case between the A13 and the SS434 in Veneto near Rovigo, but later they built a junction.
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Old May 4th, 2013, 01:17 AM   #5215
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I think that the region Puglia is very interesting to see on Google Maps\Street View because it has many expressway and grade-separated junctions between local roads.
This is probably one of the largest roundabout in the world.

This expressway near Taranto was never completed in 40 years.
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Bari,...,26.68,,0,5.21
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Bari,...,14.98,,0,5.66
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Bari,...225.87,,0,2.38
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Bari,...74.24,,0,-0.82
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Bari,...56.06,,0,-0.73
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Bari,...194.33,,0,6.76
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Bari,...22.48,,0,-3.11

This is the Manduria bypass, also abandoned
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=mandu...77.22,,0,10.42
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=mandu...,98.13,,0,1.55
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=mandu...308.65,,0,0.91
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=mandu...,75.47,,0,0.18
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=mandu...75.03,,0,-6.94
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=mandu...86.35,,0,-2.56
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=mandu...25.27,,0,-0.73
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=mandu...91.11,,0,-4.48
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=mandu...,120.97,,0,4.2
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=mandu...114.03,,0,0.73
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=mandu...124.08,,0,2.83
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=mandu...120.15,,0,-6.3
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Old May 4th, 2013, 01:38 AM   #5216
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Unusually small cloverleaf in Matera
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=mater...a,+Italia&z=18
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Old May 4th, 2013, 10:48 AM   #5218
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On the open parts of this higway, there are unfinished construction works: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Calit...,,0,14.12&z=15
It`s very interesting the (dead) end of this expressway : https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Calit...9,,0,8.01&z=18
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In Cerignola there is one of the very few places where two motorways\motorway-like roads cross each other with no junction between them (A14 and SS16).
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Cerig...a,+Italia&z=17
I think this is on purpose: it makes deviation from A14 (tolled) to SS16 for drivers going to point along the coast less attractive.
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Old May 4th, 2013, 03:01 PM   #5220
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It`s very interesting the (dead) end of this expressway : https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Calit...9,,0,8.01&z=18
It's not a dead end, i's connected with another main road through a short unpaved road.
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